Victoria vs Mori Jung

[blazingfire]

Victoria

vs

Mori Jung(GOH Preliminaries)

Rules:
Mori Jung’s High 7-C key is being used against Victoria’s 7-B key. (Jung is allowed to use Jeahbongchim x8 to reach 7-B)

Both fighters are 10 meters away

Speed is equalized

 

[M2u12]

What move does Victoria start with?, Mori Jung opens by spamming his martial arts moves (though I’m not too sure, I don’t really remember much about Mori Jung, and his profile is outdated).

 

[DavidTPPM]

Another day another GoH match up with the incorrect tag

 

[blazingfire]

What move does Victoria start with?, Mori Jung opens by spamming his martial arts moves (though I’m not too sure, I don’t really remember much about Mori Jung, and his profile is outdated).

Her usual first move is similar to Mandeoks. She summons multiple gigantic swords made from light and rains them down at her opponent

 

[M2u12]

Wait, speed isn't equalized? Mori Jung stomp if that's the case.

 

[blazingfire]

Wait, speed isn't equalized? Mori Jung stomp if that's the case.

I forgot to put that my bad. Just fixed it

 

[blazingfire]

Another day another GoH match up with the incorrect tag

Fixed it

 

[M2u12]

Her usual first move is similar to Mandeoks. She summons multiple gigantic swords made from light and rains them down at her opponent

Is it a Danmaku? If the attack range isn't wide or the number of attacks isn't that many, I think Mori Jung should be able to dodge it. Also, it seems like there's an AP/Dura gap of 8.8× between him and her. I'm sure that Mori Jung would definitely use Jeahbongchim ×8.

 

[DavidTPPM]

The issue with jeabongchim here is that since it's necessary for Jung to actually reach Victoria's level he will definitely use it and that will lead to a pretty significant speed advantage.

It'll be close to a stomp if not outright a stomp in that case.

 

[blazingfire]

Is it a Danmaku? If the attack range isn't wide or the number of attacks isn't that many, I think Mori Jung should be able to dodge it. Also, it seems like there's an AP/Dura gap of 8.8× between him and her. I'm sure that Mori Jung would definitely use Jeahbongchim ×8.

I guess it’s danmaku to an extent. This is how the attack usually looks like. If necessary, she can make a beam of light coming out from one of the swords

 

[Jaynic1]

Victoria tanked a black hole she should be alot higher than tier 7

 

[blazingfire]

Victoria tanked a black hole she should be alot higher than tier 7

Eh wasn’t a real black hole but I do think she should be higher than tier 7

 

[Jaynic1]

Eh wasn’t a real black hole but I do think she should be higher than tier 7

what else could this be?

 

[blazingfire]

what else could this be?

I rephrased it wrong. It’s a black hole, but not a traditional one. It’s made out of the steel witches est and it didn’t destroy the planet like a real black hole would(she performed the black hole on the planet) Still an impressive feat regardless since it still has some qualities of a black hole

 

[M2u12]

I guess it’s danmaku to an extent. This is how the attack usually looks like. If necessary, she can make a beam of light coming out from one of the swords

Yeah Mori Jung well have a hard time dodge it unless he uses Jeahbongchim which he definitely will.

She doesn't have resistance to FM, right? Or any ability that could resist FM, like Supernatural Willpower? If that's the case, Mori Jung FM should at least be able to momentarily stun or paralysis her.

(BTW sorry for the late reply, I fell asleep at the time)

 

[M2u12]

The issue with jeabongchim here is that since it's necessary for Jung to actually reach Victoria's level he will definitely use it and that will lead to a pretty significant speed advantage.

It'll be close to a stomp if not outright a stomp in that case.

The speed boots are only temporary and when the rebound comes, it's almost a guarantee that he'll lose. I don't remember him having the Stamina feat to continue fighting after the rebound, but even so, his body would have been badly damaged and he'd be fighting someone who was almost 9 times stronger than him.

And Ap/drua gap after he uses Jeahbongchim ×8 is still 1.1× less than her so it not like he will one-shot her after he use Jeahbongchim + i don't think in-character he will use Bongchim Nah Needle Ryu to DuraNeg her since when he fought mori jin he didn't use it either no matter how much he wanted to win, so it might not be an outright stomp.

Btw do you think in-character he will use Geundoowun on her? I think it's quite useful in this match since I don't see resist to electricity manip on her profile.

 

[blazingfire]

Yeah Mori Jung well have a hard time dodge it unless he uses Jeahbongchim which he definitely will.

She doesn't have resistance to FM, right? Or any ability that could resist FM, like Supernatural Willpower? If that's the case, Mori Jung FM should at least be able to momentarily stun or paralysis her.

(BTW sorry for the late reply, I fell asleep at the time)

The speed boots are only temporary and when the rebound comes, it's almost a guarantee that he'll lose. I don't remember him having the Stamina feat to continue fighting after the rebound, but even so, his body would have been badly damaged and he'd be fighting someone who was almost 9 times stronger than him.

And Ap/drua gap after he uses Jeahbongchim ×8 is still 1.1× less than her so it not like he will one-shot her after he use Jeahbongchim + i don't think in-character he will use Bongchim Nah Needle Ryu to DuraNeg her since when he fought mori jin he didn't use it either no matter how much he wanted to win, so it might not be an outright stomp.

Btw do you think in-character he will use Geundoowun on her? I think it's quite useful in this match since I don't see resist to electricity manip on her profile.

I’m not gonna lie Victoria’s resistances on her profile is very outdated because she faced someone who I believe is a better lightning user than Mori jung and absolutely bullied him. I think mori jungs best bet is fear manipulation. Although she should have some sort of resistance due to facing the steel witch head on(strongest in the verse) but goh layered fear hax is kind of hard to overcome

 

[M2u12]

I’m not gonna lie Victoria’s resistances on her profile is very outdated because she faced someone who I believe is a better lightning user than Mori jung and absolutely bullied him.

I don't think the lightning hit her so this shouldn't give her resist to electricity manip so Geundoowun would still be dangerous to her if she got hit by its lightning.

I think mori jungs best bet is fear manipulation. Although she should have some sort of resistance due to facing the steel witch head on(strongest in the verse) but goh layered fear hax is kind of hard to overcome

fought someone strongest in the verse doesn't mean they will have resist to fear hax. Like, if I fought a bear, it wouldn't make me stop being scared of horror movies.

 

[blazingfire]

I don't think the lightning hit her so this shouldn't give her resist to electricity manip so Geundoowun would still be dangerous to her if she got hit by its lightning.

fought someone strongest in the verse doesn't mean they will have resist to fear hax. Like, if I fought a bear, it wouldn't make me stop being scared of horror movies.

I know but her appearing made some people shiver. Although I’m not sure if this is just straight up fear manipulation or they’re just scared because of the power gap. But I guess fear manipulation from mori jung is plausible and might work

 

[M2u12]

I know but her appearing made some people shiver. Although I’m not sure if this is just straight up fear manipulation or they’re just scared because of the power gap. But I guess fear manipulation from mori jung is plausible and might work

Yes, as I said, "Mori Jung FM should at least be able to momentarily stun or paralysis her" so he will have a free hit on her for a while, do her have something to counter this?

 

[blazingfire]

Yes, as I said, "Mori Jung FM should at least be able to momentarily stun or paralysis her" so he will have a free hit on her for a while, do her have something to counter this?

She’d just keep spamming gigantic swords targeting mori jung after getting hit to wear him out

 

[M2u12]

She’d just keep spamming gigantic swords targeting mori jung after getting hit to wear him out

She has to think to summon gigantic swords, right? If that the case it would be difficult because she would be hit by Mori Jung FM

• Aura & Fear Manipulation (Overwhelming & Fear-inducing ; Every great predator can cause an instinctive fear of danger. The fear is strong enough to silence a room full of fighters and scare away wild tiger-like animals)

It might make her mind so flustered that it would be difficult to summon gigantic swords.

And even if she could really summon gigantic swords, I think Mori Jung would probably use his martial arts to deflect those swords or use Yeoui to block it.

 

[blazingfire]

She has to think to summon gigantic swords, right? If that the case it would be difficult because she would be hit by Mori Jung FM

It might make her mind so flustered that it would be difficult to summon gigantic swords.

And even if she could really summon gigantic swords, I think Mori Jung would probably use his martial arts to deflect those swords or use Yeoui to block it.

How would mori jung respond to the light beam the sword can shoot out which can break barriers

 

[M2u12]

How would mori jung respond to the light beam the sword can shoot out which can break barriers

Those light beams look so small, he should be able to dodge it.

 

[blazingfire]

She has to think to summon gigantic swords, right? If that the case it would be difficult because she would be hit by Mori Jung FM

It might make her mind so flustered that it would be difficult to summon gigantic swords.

And even if she could really summon gigantic swords, I think Mori Jung would probably use his martial arts to deflect those swords or use Yeoui to block it.

Oh and with the FM, I’m not sure how much of an effect it would have on Victoria because the Mc has FM, but when going against Victoria which was a few chaps later, she got utterly destroyed

 

[M2u12]

Oh and with the FM, I’m not sure how much of an effect it would have on Victoria because the Mc has FM, but when going against Victoria which was a few chaps later, she got utterly destroyed

His FM seems to create a illusion to his opponent, which is different from Goh FM that works on an instinctual level, but with that I think she can resist Mori Jung FM to some extent so she might be momentarily stunned by Mori Jung FM, but she should be able to get out of it.

 

[M2u12]

if her win con is only gigantic swords or superior ap/drua then i will vote for Mori Jung Due to Class Z Ls, Jeahbongchim, Martial Arts and possibly rlectricity manip etc..

 

[blazingfire]

if her win con is only gigantic swords or superior ap/drua then i will vote for Mori Jung Due to Class Z Ls, Jeahbongchim, Martial Arts and possibly electricity manip etc..

Her other potential win cons stem from light based attacks. For example, if mori jung doesn’t have any light manipulation resistance, she can blind him with this. Light so strong that even a character that was an island away could barely open her eyes.

That same light that can make a sun like construct, amping her to do long ranged slashes. If needed, she can do this which might be a solid win con.

 

[M2u12]

Her other potential win cons stem from light based attacks. For example, if mori jung doesn’t have any light manipulation resistance, she can blind him with this. Light so strong that even a character that was an island away could barely open her eyes.

That same light that can make a sun like construct, amping her to do long ranged slashes. If needed, she can do this which might be a solid win con.

It seems solid as her win con. The closest thing Mori Jung has faced that somewhat similar might be Ahan Dan BP, which can vaporize half of the arena but even that doesn’t really compare to what Victoria can do. So, if Mori Jung isn’t careful, she might blind him with her light-based attacks and one-shot him with superior AP/dura before he even uses Jeahbongchim x8 but if it’s not her open move, then Mori Jung probably be ok.

Btw can she fly? I don't see flight in her profile?

 

[blazingfire]

It seems solid as her win con. The closest thing Mori Jung has faced that somewhat similar might be Ahan Dan BP, which can vaporize half of the arena but even that doesn’t really compare to what Victoria can do. So, if Mori Jung isn’t careful, she might blind him with her light-based attacks and one-shot him with superior AP/dura before he even uses Jeahbongchim x8 but if it’s not her open move, then Mori Jung probably be ok.

Btw can she fly? I don't see flight in her profile?

Yeah, she can fly. Her abilities on her profile is kind of outdated.

 

[M2u12]

Yeah, she can fly. Her abilities on her profile is kind of outdated.

That would probably be difficult for Mori Jung since he doesn't really have many long-range attacks to reach her. I can see him trying to throw rocks at her, but in a long-range fight, Victoria clearly has the advantage and his Yeoui only showed the ability to extend just a few dozen meters. However, If in-character he use Geundoowun, her flight wouldn’t really be a problem for Mori Jung anymore, since he can fly too using Geundoowun.

I know that she starts with summons multiple gigantic swords, but does she try to get close to her opponent to CQC or does she just fly and keep spamming multiple gigantic swords?

 

[M2u12]

outdated profile vs outdated profile ahh match up

 

[blazingfire]

That would probably be difficult for Mori Jung since he doesn't really have many long-range attacks to reach her. I can see him trying to throw rocks at her, but in a long-range fight, Victoria clearly has the advantage and his Yeoui only showed the ability to extend just a few dozen meters. However, If in-character he use Geundoowun, her flight wouldn’t really be a problem for Mori Jung anymore, since he can fly too using Geundoowun.

I know that she starts with summons multiple gigantic swords, but does she try to get close to her opponent to CQC or does she just fly and keep spamming multiple gigantic swords?

Yea she gets close to her opponent multiple times to fight using her big sword. When she engages in close combat though she likes to use the gigantic sword technique and mixes it in with her regular melee

And for Geundoowun, she can do this which wipes away all the clouds

 

[M2u12]

Yea she gets close to her opponent multiple times to fight using her big sword. When she engages in close combat though she likes to use the gigantic sword technique and mixes it in with her regular melee

Oh, then her flight might not be as much of a problem as I thought. This is actually good for Mori Jung, since her melee attacks seem pretty ordinary, and Mori Jung should be able to dodge and get in really close range, close enough that her gigantic sword technique becomes unusable and keeps spamming his martial arts moves.

And for Geundoowun, she can do this which wipes away all the clouds

Geundoowun is a supernatural cloud that can lift Class Z weight, so it probably doesn’t separate that easily, and it can also reform if it gets destroyed + Mori Jung doesn’t need to create a huge cloud to ride on he just needs to make one about his size to fly, so it won’t be a big target that she can easily destroy.

 

[DavidTPPM]

The speed boots are only temporary and when the rebound comes, it's almost a guarantee that he'll lose. I don't remember him having the Stamina feat to continue fighting after the rebound, but even so, his body would have been badly damaged and he'd be fighting someone who was almost 9 times stronger than him.

The speed boost is temporary but 8x is more than enough to completely dogwalk the opponent during that amp.

And Ap/drua gap after he uses Jeahbongchim ×8 is still 1.1× less than her so it not like he will one-shot her after he use Jeahbongchim + i don't think in-character he will use Bongchim Nah Needle Ryu to DuraNeg her since when he fought mori jin he didn't use it either no matter how much he wanted to win, so it might not be an outright stomp.

2 things:
1. Jung heavily upscales from his value (Jung ~ MJ Mori Dan >>> base Mori Dan > Ahan ~ the feat)
2. Even being relative is enough to kill or incap the opponent.

Imagine fighting someone equal to you in strength but they know renewal taekwondo and are 8x faster.

Btw do you think in-character he will use Geundoowun on her? I think it's quite useful in this match since I don't see resist to electricity manip on her profile.

Definitely not in this key. Geundoowun recognized Jung as it's master but he couldn't consciously summon and control it yet. It only appeared after his defeat and went berserk for a bit

 

[M2u12]

The speed boost is temporary but 8x is more than enough to completely dogwalk the opponent during that amp.

2 things:
1. Jung heavily upscales from his value (Jung ~ MJ Mori Dan >>> base Mori Dan > Ahan ~ the feat)
2. Even being relative is enough to kill or incap the opponent.

Imagine fighting someone equal to you in strength but they know renewal taekwondo and are 8x faster.

Fair enough, then Victoria have to some how survive Mori Jung 8× amp until rebounds (if MJ Multipliers got accept then it 100% stomp lol)

Definitely not in this key. Geundoowun recognized Jung as it's master but he couldn't consciously summon and control it yet. It only appeared after his defeat and went berserk for a bit

 

[M2u12]

I think Victoria's best bet now is her long-range fight and flight. Would it be in-character for her to use long-range attacks if she knows she can’t do anything in melee combat?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Fair enough, then Victoria have to some how survive Mori Jung 8× amp until rebounds (if MJ Multipliers got accept then it 100% stomp lol)

Yeah but when (not if ) the MK/MJ multiplier gets accepted it will probably change his tier so it wouldn't work as a match anymore

 

[Testarossa002]

what else could this be?

It's not a literal black hole. The witch's abilities take on stellar(ish) properties (Supernova, black hole etc)
This, for example, is a black hole of despair iirc

 

[blazingfire]

I think Victoria's best bet now is her long-range fight and flight. Would it be in-character for her to use long-range attacks if she knows she can’t do anything in melee combat?

Once she realizes that mori Jung is a skilled h2h fighter after getting outskilled, she’ll definitely keep her range. She creates distance from her opponents by utilizing gigantic swords falling from the sky