Cyber Super Sonic was actually used against Kratos in the thread, ill change this
nope, it was Hyper since that was his maximum at the time
Where is that mentioned on Trickys profile?requesting to remove this. The verdict of the match was that tricky won via madness manipulation. Garou now resists madness manipulation due to Supernatural Willpower
"What the hell is he? He's like the embodiment of unfairness. There's no way... I'll let myself lose to a CLOWN!!"
In case you're wondering, @Comiphorous agreed to this. Apparently, Tricky stomps Sans so uh, yeah... Garou vs Tricky the Clown Post-Darkshine and Post-Auditor Tricky used Fight takes place in hell Starting distance is 50 meters Speed equalized Absolute Evil : 0 Demon Clown : 7 Incon : 0vsbattles.com
Resistance to
- Absorption, Mind Corruption, and Madness Manipulation (Those with abnormally strong willpower can avoid having their minds corrupted[7] and taken[8] over[4] by Monsterization and Fusionism)
I Removed both
Do you mean the resistances? Those are on garou's profile, not Tricky's. I'm saying that Tricky won because of madness manipulation, but Garou now resists it.
I don't see a type on Garou's madness Manipulation. So I can't verify any resistance to Tricky's madness hax, sorry.
I do see the scan on Garou's Supernatural Willpower justification. I guess I'll remove the match.Here are the examples. These should qualify as type 2.
Removed.Adventure Sonic vs Mujin Park
and Adventure Sonic vs Mori Dan(GRACE) Sonic VS Mujin Park
"Sir Sonic, Knight of the Wind" Sonic VS "Coordinator of The Six" Mujin Park Starting Distance: 5m Both are bloodlusted Equalized speed Optional Equipment allowed Adventure Era Sonic | Full Power Supreme God Mujin Park LOCATION: Sonic: 7 (@XxZetsuxX, @omegabronic, @Theuser789, @Eseseso...
https://vsbattles.com/threads/mori-dan-vs-sonic-the-hedgehog-9-7-1.154318/
should be removed from the profiles since Mori and Mujin were upgraded from 4-A to 3-B (The Mujin one shouldn't have even been applied to begin with since it's the most blatant case of a stomp match up possible but whatever)
Removed.
I think you might have missed Moris incon match which is still greatly outdated.
I vividly remember quoting the Griffins message but it somehow disappeared
So odd because I only remember the Mujin match being suggested and when I removed it, I was like "why didn't the ask me to remove that one as well?", so I left it alone. Goes to show I really am tired. Regardless, I removed it.
No problem, thank you for your help
Someone got to this one.
I removed the Bardock, Thor (Those two matches were already removed their respective pages, just needed to remove it from Goku's), and Ryu matches. I'll check the other ones when I get the chance.
I removed it from the profiles.
Problem with this argument is that combat speed is, quite literally, the speed at which characters are capable to fight (which obviously include dodge and attack):
With it being explicitly mentioned that reactions are just small, single bursts of movement while combat speed is being able to make several moves at those speeds, which means that Loid indeed had the ability to react and dodge the bullets the moment they were fired as his combat speed would be equalized to Arthur Supersonic. Loid superhuman rating is for long distance, not combat situational movements, at practical effects it's for his travel speed or any speed that doesn't involve any form of combat.
But the other side was just straight up ignoring him and the math explaining why he wouldn't get blitzed by bullets when his speed gets equalized to supersonic. Further more, the speed equalization rules also specify that if a faster character lose just because they get equalized to a lower speed
Besides the speed part, there was also another quite big misunderstanding that people were making, that is that Loid is all stealth with no military training or experience in direct armed confrontations, which is similarly just wrong because as a matter of fact, Loid was a soldier before become a spy and he himself killed enough people to sit in a pile of corpses while thinking about how many thousands more would need to die before he could stop fighting.
This is being absolutely manipulative and literally a straight up lie dog. Nobody at any point undersold what Loid's stealth and Analytical Prediction are capable of. Arthur's side was explicitly agreeing with Loid's Stealth Manipulation being better than Arthurs, only part we disagreed with in that instance is using it as if it's something infallible. Loid's failed several missions and has been caught before, so I'd appreciate it if people were to stop making it seem as if he's Agent 47. Marksmanship isn't even a comparison here, guy that's used a gun a few times vs one who's been a legendary gunslinger from day one.
Yeah again this is incredibly false. Nobody spread misinformation and it damn sure wasn't done maliciously. And I find it incredibly ironic considering how you've either been ignoring arguments from Arthur's side or literally just making things up such as us ignoring and or watering down Loid's combat skill. (Such as us claiming Loid can't dodge bullets from Arthur due to soley speed, whenever the reality of the argument was that it was a combo (special ammo travels much faster than 720M/S.), AoE, the skill of the shots and Dead-Eye making it especially hard for Loid to successfully dodge. This is also furthered by the fact that now Dead-Eye is a time slow so Loid dodging is even more slim now due to Red-Dead revisions.
Just because you got debunked doesn't mean the match will be removed. Copium hits hard
Neither of you debated me actually, the moment I appeared to say that I would write a comment Gin stopped me saying to just let the thread die since nobody wanted to continue arguing, just for shortly after ask staff to close it as Arthur win. But that aside, if you actually read my post I'm explaining two fundamental problems (speed and Loid experience in battlefields) there were in the thread, that affected a lot the match and were used as part of the main arguments of why Arthur won, I even quoted the speed equalization rules to show how the arguments used were wrong and that even assuming that things actually worked like that the match would be invalid to add to the profiles due to the faster character losing mainly from being unable to dodge what they normally can.
You did, you spread the notion that Loid it's just a spy with no armed experience in battlefield, which I proved wrong, and you also spread wrong information about Loid speed section and how the speed equalization rules work, and ignored when staff (with the specific role of know how speed and physics works) noted that what you were saying was factually incorrect, because even if you argued that the special ammo was Supersonic+ (a rating that they don't even have btw) Loid would had still be able to move almost an entire meter away even if Arthur shoot at him from 2 meters of distance since he was equalized to Arthur Supersonic rating (which no longer exist so another reason to remove it Ig), also, you indeed were arguing that Loid couldn't dodge because he was too slow.
And you also ignored the speed equal rules that state how a match can't be added when the main reason for a faster character to lose is because they are now slower than the opponent.
Don't clog the thread with this kind of unnecessary messaging. Leave this for staff to look through
Can you not gaslighting? Cease with that attitude
Because that's how grace works. I'm gonna ask you to stop making up blatant lies here because this is very much ridiculous. Right now all your doing is purposely misconstruing the points of my messages and literally leaving out context. For starters you were not ignored with malicious intent, you commented after the grace period began.
This also never happened, I was fully aware that Loid was a child Solider before becoming a spy. Congratulations? Literally said it's a good feat but given how vague it is, and we lack lots of details on that part of his life using it as a skill feat with 100% certainty doesn't feel right. Which again was my main point which stands true. Loid can definitely fight but that's not his bread and butter, he's a spy first and foremost. He isn't a John Wick / Agent 47 like assassin character.
Yeah now your definitely making shit up because I never once ignored how speed equalization works. Me and Dale both went back and forth about that subject, where he was right given the distance but then you failed to mention my other arguments (I.E AoE, Analytical Prediction and Perception manipulation via Dead-Eye.)
New flash, calc group members can be incorrect you know? Just because someone is staff doesn't automatically make everything they say a indisputable fact.
Again here we go with you claiming that others are ignoring shit whenever you literally ignored the rest of my arguments to hyperfocus on one point in an attempt that i can only assume is to make me look bad. Furthermore literally in the middle of the match i mentioned Arthur's speed would be revised soon.
Again ignoring multiple arguments to hyperfocus on a point I didn't even plan on dying on. There's also the fact that i mentioned Analytical Prediction, AoE, faster rounds (Which he did have in his speed section via "higher with special ammo") and Dead-Eye allowing him to make multiple shots and react quicker than Loid.
That was one argument, one that I didn't even push as much as your trying to make it seem.
It's okay brother, we will remove the fight once Code White hits streaming services.
Loid grew in the equivalent of the WWII of his world, and as shown killed thousands of soldiers as a teenager before even becoming a spy in the war, so this argument you made about Loid was straight-up incorrect and a source of misinformation, and argument that you were continuing to push even as far as page 5.
You claimed that Loid reactions and movement speed were Superhuman so he couldn't dodge Arthur Supersonic speed, so you were factually wrong with how speed equalization works, and you were also ignoring Dale explanation of why Loid had the speed to dodge Arthur weapons through simple math.
So again, yet another reason to remove the match.
When the work of a staff is be good at math, and the argument in question is a very simple math problem, it makes their words to have far more weight than someone who doesn't do math like Arthur side.
You didn't mention it, the calc member you are saying is wrong told you Arthur speed rating was wrong, which he proved correct with calcs and a crt where Arthur speed was downgraded, so again, his words about the speed part have more weigh and are more reliable than yours since they are a completely mathematical problem. Also, since Arthur speed now is outdated due to downgrades then that's yet another reason more to remove the match.
It wasn't a skill discussion the main point, the main argument was that Loid would be blitzed by the special ammo and Arthur Dead Eye even though the ability doesn't affect the speed of the bullets, so it would all come down again to the fact that Arthur would need to shot at him from basically CQC distance so the bullets had a chance of hit Loid with the Supersonic speed that he was getting equalized.
These are quotes from beginning to end of the match, so up to the end you were indeed arguing that the bullets would blitz Loid, even though his combat speed was equalized to Supersonic.
And the thing about that special ammo and aoe ammo you are using is that, even assuming that those shotgun and express rounds were Supersonic+ (857.5m/s), they would need to be fired as close as 2 meters away for Loid potentially being unable to dodge them at the Supersonic (377.3) combat speed he was equalized. At 2m away he could move 88cm away in the time they got fired and travel close to him, at 3m he could move 1.3m away, at 4m would be 1.7m, and so on, so unless Arthur fought him at really close distances (the initial distance was also 20 meters apart btw), which you explicitly said wouldn't happen because you said the moment Loid was on sight he would be instantly killed), then Loid would be capable to dodge, this isn't a debate, it's a simple fact that comes from simple math (as pointed by even a calc member), but even so you argued against saying that he would be blitzed or be too slow to dodge. And once again, this is being generous to say that the special ammo is at least Supersonic+ (a rating they didn't even have) and that Arthur is using constantly his fastest ammo with his fastest weapons, so even with the most generous interpretation Loid could factually speaking move away. Dale also out how the ammo with aoe is also slower so that would make the distance that Loid can dodge even higher:
But Arthur side continued to ignore the simple math and facts, that Loid had the speed to just move away.
