Vegito, again. Sorry.

[Antvasima]

That would be very useful, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

@Dragoon

It would be helpful if you find a screenshot of the statement that Vegito and Fusion Zamasu were stronger than the gods.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Idk if he truly meant GoD because kaioshins are also called "gods" but...i'll leave that up to interpretation

 

[PaChi2]

Note that he is likely referring to your usual Kaio shin, who are also gods, not Hakaishin. Beerus was still higher than Blue goku. Remember that Zamasu was a kaioshin apprentice and referred to them as gods. Also he was traumatized by goku while being a kaioshin.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

"Where. That's my question. What feats does SSJ2 Kefla even have? She fought UI Goku. That's it. That's power scaling. So what feats does UI Goku have putting him above SSB Vegetto?He fought a heavily suppressed Jiren, who is above GoD level at his max, and barely scratched him. All we know on Jiren is that Full Power Jiren>God of Destruction. That's it. And Goku barely hurt him. So he doesn't scale yet. UI Goku fought Kefla... and was debatably inferior to her physically. He was just much more skilled and faster. "

You realize their High 3-A/Low 2-C feat of literally shaking the World of Void is the catalyst correct? That alone put him above Vegito It has nothing to do with being above GoD. Kefla's feats.







"Already debunked you on that. There are no feats that Kefla is Low 2-C. There is none that Vegetto is. All they have is scaling to Infinite Zamasu. And talking about him Goku seemed to believe that a senzu bean healing him would allow him to fight off Infinite Zamasu. So by statements even SSB Goku has evidence putting him at Low 2-C. I already brought up that Goku and Vegeta fusion in this arc wouldn't be anything as Black Arc Vegetto would already be comparable to a current Vegetto. YOU try again."

You like literally debunked nothing.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Zamasu is arrogant as all hell, and he was talking about Kaioshins.

Zamasu isn't above any GoD.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Never mind then.

 

[Golden_Void]

Comparing Kefla to Vegito is pointless. The only statement that we can use is Gowasu saying Zamasu's power expanded to no end, similar to what a Goku said about Kefla's power. We tend not to take the infinite statements seriously, even when they're proven the very next episode for whatever reason.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We should also make a rule against people arguing that universes in Dragon Ball are 2-C due to their size.

 

[Dark649]

I also heavily agree with that, i'm tired to try to debunk their threads.

 

[Antvasima]

Don't we already have a rule for that? I suppose it should be okay to add one othervise.

 

[Antvasima]

So, about the following suggestion for a discussion rule:

"Please refrain from creating threads about scaling Future Trunks Saga Super Saiyan Blue Vegito to Super Saiyan 2 Kefla. This topic has been repeatedly discussed, and the arguments for such a thing are very unfounded, with nothing in canon implying a relative scale of power between the two."

Should we apply this or not?

 

[PaChi2]

Well, voicing thoughts:

Minor thing with something Unite saud in the thread.

>The potara argument likely fails, because they're in a place with no time.


Vegito ate the fusion time limit due to the power ending up being to much which ate the time limit , something Kefla didn't do.


Yet Unite claimed it didnt run out because world of void has no time but wasnt that thrown due to the time skipping, the giant timer, time based tournament and everyone being granted infinite speed?

Contradictions are in play.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. If Vegito overloaded the Potara time limit due to his sheer power, this does seem like evidence that he was stronger than Kefla.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Hmm. If Vegito overloaded the Potara time limit due to his sheer power, this does seem like evidence that he was stronger than Kefla.

But Vegito stayed fused for far longer than Kefla. Kefla only lasted 4 minutes before being defeated.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Didn't Vegito last 10 minutes?

 

[PaChi2]

I think the 10 mins thing is from SSj4 gogeta?

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

10 min is SSJ4 gogeta AFAIK vegito no real indication was it?

 

[Dark649]

Gowasu has stated that Potara fusions only last an hour for mortals.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

10 at least 15 at most vegeta estimated

 

[Setna]

Vegito is stronger than Beerus (low 2C), it was said in the manga.

Source : chapter 23, page 43/46

Link : http://i4.***********.net/dragon-ball-super/23/dragon-ball-super-9242875.jpg

Vegito should at least be low 2C.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

>manga

We take anime over manga as primary canon....

 

[Golden_Void]

I'm gonna close this.