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Vegeta vs Kefla

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Jobbo said:
Goku touched Jiren several times in UIO the first time, what are you talking about? He grazed his cheek, he kneed him in the stomach and hit him with a Kamehameha. He should perform just as well against Jiren as Kkx20 Goku did since Jiren only commented that his attacks had gotten sharper.

Also, Kefla was stated to have surpassed Goku's earlier level before she'd even reached her maximum power, and that's not even counting the rage boost which would have allowed her to kill Goku in one hit.


And Vegeta did nothing impressive against Jiren, Jiren easily overpowered him the entire fight and glared away his strongest attacks. Might as well say 17 beats Kefla too, since his performance was just as good as Vegeta's.
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She said KKX20 SSJB basacally couldnt touch him "what are you talking about"?

And again although she surpassed his earlier level before her x5 increase SSJBKKX20 was comparable to her ssj1 roughly
 
Landing hits on Jiren doesn't mean anything, even 109 SSB Goku was able to punch him through some mountains before he even used Kaioken. Also, when Vegeta dodged Jiren's attacks in 122 he said Jiren wasn't using the same speed and power he used against Goku. Goku, Vegeta and 17 combined only managed to barely survive against Jiren, they couldn't put any real damage on him at all.
 
^ I need proof cuz he didnt hit him hard enogh to move him unless Jiren was moving himself and what part do you not get about casual and true power...
 
Jobbo said:
There was no indication that 3rd trigger UIO Goku was any stronger than the 2nd, so Kefla should stomp Vegeta with minimal effort.
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I actually agree with this in particular. Kefla FRA.
 
^ ... smh

CASUAL vs TRUE POWER CASUAL vs TRUE POWER (JIREN WAS NOT CARING WHEN HE GOT HIT HE WOULDVE NO SOLD IT AT TRUE POWER OBVIOUS NOTHING YOU CAN SAY BOUT THAT) CASUAL VS TRUE POWER STOP BRINGING UP THESE FEATS THATS WHATS "Meaningless"


Im sorry for being "disrespectful" but this is making me go insane EVERYTIME YOU MENTION THIS
 
Even casual Jiren is far above SSB Goku, so it follows that Jiren's true power is vastly above Goku and Vegeta even though they traded blows with him for a while.
 
While this may be a very unpopular opinion (Don't mock me for this please) but I got the feeling that Kefla and non-muscled Jiren are pretty much equal and the only difference was that Jiren had already seen the Kefla fight and figured out how to counter UI and if the order of their fights had been swapped then they would have both played out exactly the same way as the other did.
 
Other than a GoD is definetly considered to be "unfair" to compete in ToP which is one of the reasons their prohibited and since toppo is only a canidite he is = to a weaker one and making him a technical diety that even you have to admit "GoD's can beat Kefla"
 
Well we have 7 votes for Vegeta?

I just want to point out that SSB Goku that fought Jiren in the rematch is greater than First UIO cuz Jiren was using more power than he did against UIO and Goku was able to fight back even in SSB, he then goes to use KKx20 and Vegeta use SSBE which put him on equal power, Vegeta then power up even more fighting Toppo and beat him so:

SSBE Vegeta > SSBkkx20 > SSB Goku > First UIO

The only thing we know about SSJ2 Kefla is that her power may be greater than First UIO, that isn't saying HOWEVER she had enough power to one shout 2nd UIO it just her attacks were slower than UIO

Also every time UIO trigger it's more power than before it's a common thing, they noticed that 3rd UIO attacks and moves were getting sharper and stronger and he was able to gain the edge on full power Jiren near the end before he turned into Blanco
 
I guess I should give an argument for Kefla, even if everyone has already made up their minds, so here it is-

The only reason UI Goku managed to beat Kefla was because UI dodging allowed him to avoid all of her attacks, otherwise he would have been screwed.

SSBE Vegeta may have UI Goku's raw power but he doesn't have UI dodging so he will have no way of avoiding Kefla's attacks like Goku could and is thus screwed.
 
UIO Goku was simply faster Than Kefla, she couldn't keep up with him when they clashed fists, the only thing Goku lacked was the needed power to put her down and even then his attacks clearly had an effect on her so it's not his attack were mere scratch

The only time she possessed threat was when she unleashed his final attack which drain all her power from what we know
 
I vote, Kefla. Ringing someone out is not always the best indicator of strength. The reason Kefla lost was due to UI being divine dodging, this is equally shown when Goku attempts to do the same method to out jirene, and had he not seen it before hand, indicates it would've succeed.

(imagine that, non mastered UI greater than jiren, because of a sneak attack)

The tier list is still MUI Goku, Jiren, toppo, Kefla, vegeta and 17 due to not Haciyack.
 
dunno

Regular SSJ3 no

but Kefla wasn't regular SSJ2 either

it was Berserk stacked on top of SSJ2
 
7th Ki'oon said:
Now, here's a question. Would SS3 Kefla be stronger than MUI Goku?! Or vegeta.
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Depend on plot, it always depend on plot

Kefla shouldn't even be Fuse Zamsu level if we speak logically
 
7th Ki'oon said:
I vote, Kefla. Ringing someone out is not always the best indicator of strength. The reason Kefla lost was due to UI being divine dodging, this is equally shown when Goku attempts to do the same method to out jirene, and had he not seen it before hand, indicates it would've succeed.

(imagine that, non mastered UI greater than jiren, because of a sneak attack)

The tier list is still MUI Goku, Jiren, toppo, Kefla, vegeta and 17 due to not Haciyack.
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He was ahead of her in every step, he wouldn't be able to dodge if he wasn't fast enough in the first place, that being even if SSBE Vegeta has UIO raw power there nothing proof he is as swift as him "which was the main reason Goku defeated Kefla"

I can see arguments been made for Kefla

Also, Vegeta is > Toppo what are you talking about?
 
The Hakai Hax, gives toppo a significant advantage, if wasn't becuase of plot convenience, Vegeta should've lost, (just look at his final explosion, bullshit. No stamina but can still instantly go into Royal SS2) especially in a Series like dragon Ball where any mode specialisation (like UI) grants an enormous advantage over stat boosts, look at 17's barriers, best skill in the tournament.

God, in disappointed in Super not bringing in at least one new attack move, like Divine Kamehameha or royal final flash. Anything, over the archaic, machine gun punch blur.
 
It make sense for him to overpower the Hakai because Hakai is not absolute power and we got rid of the Hakai NLF, everything in DB can be overcome with enough power
 
Vegeta for reasons above.

Kefla doesn't stand a chance against the Second From of UIO. Heck they implied that if Goku could figure out how to attack without thinking he would have one shotted Kefla.

(Everyone was caught off guard that Kefla survived a hit from UIO Goku before Whis explained)

After every UIO transformation Goku became stronger. Kefla as a SSJ2 was stated to be possibly stronger then First UIO Goku.

"She might have surpassed Son's earlier level!"

Goku SSB (Not Kaioken) is stronger then First and Second UIO since Goku was able to force Jiren to start tapping in to his full power.

First UIO was nothing to Jiren, Second UIO made Jiren interested, SSBKKX20 made him tap into his full power and SSBE Vegeta is stronger then this.

So Vegeta is over 20X stronger then SSB Goku who made Jiren tap into his full power.
 
7th Ki'oon said:
Now, here's a question. Would SS3 Kefla be stronger than MUI Goku?! Or vegeta.
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I think she'd be equal to limit breaker Jiren.

I could honestly see SSG Kefla being Zeno level.
 
^ Just think she was already ssjg level meaning if anything she would just be above baseline alot overr not at ALL 2-C dont say things like that and say "dont mock me on this" because that was incredably mockable
 
Take Goku for example absorbed it into base ssj, ssj2, ssj3, ssjg, ssjb, ssjbkk, ssjbkkx10, ssjbkkx20 After all that he was still just above 3-A baseline base = 3-A x 40,000 STILL = 3-A

so Kefla would need at least a limit breaker to = Jiren and above in terms of low 2-c prowess
 
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