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Vegeta vs Ichibei (15-15-1)

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ChoursDropoff said:
They absorb god into base.
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They only use God Ki in their God forms (otherwise, SSG would be useless). Even if you consider the base 'Beyond God' state (which I’m not even sure is accepted on the wiki), it’s still a separate state he has to enter. doesn't even matter because 0:36 debunks your argument.
 
Bastolan27 said:
They only use God Ki in their God forms (otherwise, SSG would be useless). Even if you consider the base 'Beyond God' state (which I’m not even sure is accepted on the wiki), it’s still a separate state he has to enter. doesn't even matter because 0:36 debunks your argument.
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vegeta starts off in ssjb in SBA the point is moot. No matter which way you look at it Ichibei is screwed.
 
You didn't comprehend that message.

Starting at a specific key ≠ specific transformation unless that key is the transformation. Which isn't the case here
 
Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.

The strongest version of Vegeta up until that point is Blue. That’s how SBA works.
 
ChoursDropoff said:
Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.

The strongest version of Vegeta up until that point is Blue. That’s how SBA works.
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That applies to keys, not transformations. Transformations are treated as amps, not as keys unless specified otherwise.
 
It's so crazy how absolutely none of that is relevant to what's being argued here. If you don't understand that "Strongest Keys are assumed" isn't "Strongest transformation within a key" then there's no way you're gonna track this.
 
ChoursDropoff said:
Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.

The strongest version of Vegeta up until that point is Blue. That’s how SBA works.
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Arcker123 said:
It's so crazy how absolutely none of that is relevant to what's being argued here. If you don't understand that "Strongest Keys are assumed" isn't "Strongest transformation within a key" then there's no way you're gonna track this.
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Well considering Ichibei is starting with his Shikai release and going by your same logic that would be starting him off in a higher form and not his sealed base. Vegeta would still one shot in all scenarios.
 
ChoursDropoff said:
Well considering Ichibei is starting with his Shikai release and going by your same logic that would be starting him off in a higher form and not his sealed base. Vegeta would still one shot in all scenarios.
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Difference is, Ichibei's is a key, Vegeta's is a form. Vegeta in character wouldn't transform because he's far stronger than him stats wise and he's not bloodlusted or has any reason to be. You would need to prove that Vegeta would decide to just go Blue for ***** and giggles when he knows he's stronger. Ichibei's unsealed power is literally a key, and SBA assumes that he is in said key, so really your argument is apples to oranges.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Difference is, Ichibei's is a key, Vegeta's is a form. Vegeta in character wouldn't transform because he's far stronger than him stats wise and he's not bloodlusted or has any reason to be. You would need to prove that Vegeta would decide to just go Blue for ***** and giggles when he knows he's stronger. Ichibei's unsealed power is literally a key, and SBA assumes that he is in said key, so really your argument is apples to oranges.
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He definitely would go blue just to flex against an opponent he knows he stronger than like he did against frieza on his last legs or like with Cabba. and like you have stated he is far stronger even going to ssjb is unnecessary he can kill him in base. Ichibei whole argument is based off a hypothetical he'd never reach.
Arcker123 said:
Lol. We're still waiting on that quote.
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Don't pretend you can't see it.
 
ChoursDropoff said:
He definitely would go blue just to flex against an opponent he knows he stronger than like he did against frieza on his last legs or like with Cabba. and like you have stated he is far stronger even going to ssjb is unnecessary he can kill him in base. Ichibei whole argument is based off a hypothetical he'd never reach.
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1. The Frieza scenario is a combination of petty revenge and superiority. He was picking up after Goku because he knew Frieza wasn't shit, and he wanted him to feel his humiliation after what happened on Namek.
2. The Cabba scenario was a teaching moment showing him the hypothetical power he could achieve, he started that fight in base.
3. This wouldn't even matter as Ichibei in all of his forms can still powernull him because DB has no counter for concept hax. He can control the black on him with Planetary range or splash any on him.
 
ArcaneAbyss said:
Vegeta sees how much weaker ichibei is to him, and just aura crushes him by powering up
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Aura crush = Dozen meter explosion. Ichibei dodges and nulls.

We still have nothing on this even being used in a fight.
ArcaneAbyss said:
Would ichibei even be able to sense Vegeta? We've seen how having so much higher reiatsu than others can make them not even be able to sense it
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Irrelevant. Verse equalization wouldn't grant Vegeta these mechanics specific to Bleach. It doesn't grant abilities. Vegeta gets sensed.
 
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Arcker123 said:
Aura crush = Dozen meter explosion. Ichibei dodges and nulls.
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Lmao, it destroyed the entire hyperbole time chamber, which is a least the size of earth and destroyed the entire spacetime it was in, ichibei isn't doing shit
Arcker123 said:
Irrelevant. Verse equalization wouldn't grant Vegeta these mechanics specific to Bleach. It doesn't grant abilities.
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This isn't an ability, it is literally a limitation of THEIR ability to sense, if they can't sense someone who is so much stronger than them, ichibei isn't sensing Vegeta
 
ArcaneAbyss said:
Lmao, it destroyed the entire hyperbole time chamber, which is a least the size of earth and destroyed the entire spacetime it was in, ichibei isn't doing shit

This isn't an ability, it is literally a limitation of THEIR ability to sense, if they can't sense someone who is so much stronger than them, ichibei isn't sensing Vegeta
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I mean, even people relative to him have universal range. Ichibe himself does. I'm not sure why I'm to be convinced planetary range is an inescapable deal breaker.

Transcendence grants resistance to sensing, much in the same way god ki does. Just read the profiles of transcendent characters like Aizen. It's not a limit of their sensing at all.
 
Adam1396 said:
Vegeta is losing his ability to flex and getting erased on fundamental level.
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Vegeta flexing his aura would be lot faster than what ichibe does but ok not to mention that ki users can sense malice intend so he definitely would try to make short of ichibei regardless
 
How would an attack crossing 4KM take more time than Ichibe simply releasing his sword (Which since he knows bankai, he can do with a thought).

Edit: if full power Ichibe for our wiki key is just masoleum Ichibe, he'd already have his sword released. Full power for squad 0 is them using their swords after the blood oath drops. Reaper mentioned this before.
 
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