Vegeta should have Social Influencing

[Spinoirr]

Because he tricked Moro into revealing his goal by purposely holding back and making it seem like he were losing a battle

"Social Influencing is ones ability to manipulate other characters using some form of charm. This has several uses in the form of manipulation. Whether it be to manipulate how an opponent fights, thinks, or to get info from them that the user would want or need."

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems pretty strait forward

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I'm not too keen on Vegeta getting Social Influencing for having a conversation with Moro. This didn't even really seem like he manipulated him. It just so happen that Moro was willing to blab on about his goals, which is what typical villains do.

Actually, I'm not too keen on giving Social Influencing to just any character that outsmarts another character in general. Why is that a thing?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, it's more so the Cabba incident is a better example of social influencing.

 

[Orange]

Or bulma is a better example?
But Nonetheless, I agree

 

[Spinoirr]

Yeah, it's more so the Cabba incident is a better example of social influencing.

I was thinking of that too

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Or bulma is a better example?
But Nonetheless, I agree

This fits much better as seduction....just sayin'...

 

[Damage3245]

How is that an ability though? In all honesty he just tricked Moro by acting like he had no other options and Moro got cocky.

Moro did the same thing to him by concealing his energy absorption until it was too late.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

He's also indirectly responsible for the death of the Z-Fighters but they are all cool now.

 

[Spinoirr]

Also recently he tried to talk granolah out of fighting and actually made him conflicted for a while until he keep on denying that Vegeta was telling the truth and it actually convinced his ai that Vegeta and Goku aren't bad guys

 

[Orange]

This fits much better as seduction....just sayin'...

I mean
It's prolly stronger than boa's seduction-

 

[Bernkastelll]

Because he tricked Moro into revealing his goal by purposely holding back and making it seem like he were losing a battle

"Social Influencing is ones ability to manipulate other characters using some form of charm. This has several uses in the form of manipulation. Whether it be to manipulate how an opponent fights, thinks, or to get info from them that the user would want or need."

Nah, I disagree with this reasoning, but there has others examples that people here mentioned

 

[ProudLearner]

I disagree as well. Piccolo did the same thing with Imperfect Cell.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

I disagree as well. Piccolo did the same thing with Imperfect Cell.

W-what does that have to do with anything?

I-

 

[TheQuestioner]

Isn't social influencing just the user's ability to use some form of charm to affect someone majorly? I don't think Vegeta is exactly "charming" here.

 

[Orange]

He charmed bulma-
I mean even if we joke, you kinda need a great charming trait to convince the woman that you just murdered her bf, almost destroyed her planet , on top of the fact that your job is literally genocide but without discrimination to be your wife

 

[RisingIons]

He couldn’t even convince the entire population of Earth to give Goku energy to kill Buu

 

[MidnightDawn1]

He couldn’t even convince the entire population of Earth to give Goku energy to kill Buu

That's barely a Valid anti-feat.

Like mf that's 7billion people.

The bare minimum for Social Influencing is being able to charm/convince/manipulate people which he has feats of doing.

Saying Vegeta can't have it cuz he couldn't Convince an entire planet to give Goku something they don't know is real. Is quite absurd, no?

 

[RisingIons]

That's barely a Valid anti-feat.

Like mf that's 7billion people.

The bare minimum for Social Influencing is being able to charm/convince/manipulate people which he has feats of doing.

Saying Vegeta can't have it cuz he couldn't Convince an entire planet to give Goku something they don't know is real. Is quite absurd, no?

I knew what I said was gonna be misinterpreted. He couldn’t convince a single person out of 7 billion+ people, not even a child.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

I knew what I said was gonna be misinterpreted. He couldn’t convince a single person out of 7 billion+ people, not even a child.

Well, can't argue with that logic chief.

Except for one last counterpoint (for now)...

That was the Buu saga Vegeta.

And this is Current Vegeta meaning he's more experienced and has grown. Claiming a character can't have a skill because they couldn't do said skill in the past is Quite Unfair.

Especially when they've shown such feats of having the skill.

And besides, there could be a legitimate argument made that that was just PIS by Toriyama to increase tensions.

 

[RisingIons]

He could be more experienced but charm is a personality trait and Vegeta’s personality has largely remained the same since the end of the Namek saga. I don’t think playing dumb is the same as social influencing IMO

 

[MidnightDawn1]

He could be more experienced but charm is a personality

Y-You can develop personality traits over time.