Vegeta fights a pillow (1-0-0)

[Genericstickman]

Vegeta (dbs manga) vs Pillow (BFDI)


speed equalized

optional equipment allowed

V for Vegeta: 1

P for Pillow:

Something for Something:

Ul

 

[Psychomaster35]

Wouldn't this be an AP stomp since Vegeta scales to 3 universes while Pillow only scales to 2?

(Though, to be fair, I could make an argument that there may be a 3rd universe in the BFDI timeline based on specific words being used to refer to a universe, I just have yet to make a CRT on that)

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Wouldn't this be an AP stomp since Vegeta scales to 3 universes while Pillow only scales to 2?

(Though, to be fair, I could make an argument that there may be a 3rd universe in the BFDI timeline based on specific words being used to refer to a universe, I just have yet to make a CRT on that)

There's a CRT downgrading DBS manga to 2 universes

 

[ProudLearner]

There's a CRT downgrading DBS manga to 2 universes

What thread?

 

[TegamiBachi25]

What thread?

DBS Manga Cosmology Rework (Downgrade)

To be straight forward, in the following threads it was accepted to split the manga, current anime, and toei continuities from being alternate realities, which resulted in the manga cosmology getting downgraded from its current 3 universes rating...

vsbattles.com

 

[Genericstickman]

ok then we wait

 

[Genericstickman]

alright he got downgraded so we can continue

 

[Arkansalter2]

Either A: Pillows Object Phys carries + mega LS diff
Or B: Vegeta skill slams

 

[Psychomaster35]

Is Pillow competing in any season? This will affect if her Immortality Type 8 can be viable or not. Also, what equipment are you giving her?

 

[Genericstickman]

Is Pillow competing in any season? This will affect if her Immortality Type 8 can be viable or not. Also, what equipment are you giving her?

yeah also all of them

 

[Psychomaster35]

yeah also all of them

I assume she's competing in TPOT since she has the Yoylite with her, which is the only season where she got to wield it.

Anyways, to explain what Pillow does, like every other contestant in the series, she's most prone to leading with whatever piece of equipment she has on her that is the most effective thing to use. In this case, she's able to use her flamethrower to spam rapid amounts of fireball danmaku per shot, and since she has the Yoylite with her, she could have the potential to go back in time to either an earlier point in the fight where she can try again or straight up kill a younger version of Vegeta if she wanted to (Probably not likely since she'd have to find a younger version of someone she hardly knows anything about, but it's still possible). Plus, if she dies while having the Yoylite on her, she ends up gaining Immortality Type 6 that will allow her to resurrect herself at the Recovery Center without the need of anyone to recover her, where she could then use the bracelet to return to the fight.

Speaking which, how far away is the Recovery Center from Pillow by the time the fight starts? Because throughout TPOT, its location changes thanks to it being moveable.

 

[Genericstickman]

I assume she's competing in TPOT since she has the Yoylite with her, which is the only season where she got to wield it.

Anyways, to explain what Pillow does, like every other contestant in the series, she's most prone to leading with whatever piece of equipment she has on her that is the most effective thing to use. In this case, she's able to use her flamethrower to spam rapid amounts of fireball danmaku per shot, and since she has the Yoylite with her, she could have the potential to go back in time to either an earlier point in the fight where she can try again or straight up kill a younger version of Vegeta if she wanted to (Probably not likely since she'd have to find a younger version of someone she hardly knows anything about, but it's still possible). Plus, if she dies while having the Yoylite on her, she ends up gaining Immortality Type 6 that will allow her to resurrect herself at the Recovery Center without the need of anyone to recover her, where she could then use the bracelet to return to the fight.

Speaking which, how far away is the Recovery Center from Pillow by the time the fight starts? Because throughout TPOT, its location changes thanks to it being moveable.

so what' usually the standard distance for it?

 

[Psychomaster35]

so what' usually the standard distance for it?

Typically within a walking distance from her away when she's doing challenges

 

[Genericstickman]

alright then

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Genericstickman]

bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Speed equalized? You are allowed to equalized stats?

 

[Genericstickman]

Speed equalized? You are allowed to equalized stats?

only speed

 

[Ebihara]

Speed equalized? You are allowed to equalized stats?

You can only equalize speed. Nothing else.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Ok how do I send images here

 

[Psychomaster35]

Ok how do I send images here

Are you here to paste something in relation to this match? If so, select "Insert Image" and paste an image URL to upload into the message.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Are you here to paste something in relation to this match? If so, select "Insert Image" and paste an image URL to upload into the message.

You mean like from discord? The images have link there

 

[Psychomaster35]

From any site, really.

If you're still struggling in trying to upload an image, you're free to just say whatever the context is on the image you were trying to post and cite it instead.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Ok

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Wait do I use imgur for images? I see someone used it for his thread

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Ok let me scale Vegeta

P1: All abstract things that exist mind independently are beyond the concepts of space and time
P2: The afterlife is an abstract thing that exists mind independently
C: The afterlife is beyond the concepts of space and time [Universal Instantiation P1, P2]

Justification for P1:
If some arbitrary thing, x, is abstract, then it must lack any spatial and temporal properties (in regards to dimensions) which is just analytically true. If it exists mind independently, it is something that exists externally and can be greater than physical things. Something of this nature cannot possibly fall within a set of dimensions since it lacks them completely and it cannot be below this set of dimensions because it exists mind independently, It follows that something with these predicates is beyond any extensions of dimensionality.

Justification for P2:
For the "abstract" part of the conjunction, the afterlife is stated to lack the concept of time, to be a spiritual place where humans don't keep their physical bodies, and to be disconnected from the living world on the most metaphysical level. The absence of time will entail the same for space; the argument for that is:

P: Space exists
Q: Change occurs
R: Change that occurs is physical
S: Time exists

P1: (P ∧ Q) → R
P2: R → S
C1: (P ∧ Q) → S [Hypothetical Syllogism | P1, P2]
P3: ¬S
C2: ¬(P ∧ Q) [Modus Tollens | C1, P3]
C3: ¬P ∨ ¬Q [DeMorgan's Law | C2]
P4: Q
C4: ¬P [Disjunctive Syllogism | C3, P4]

For the "exists mind independently" part of the conjunction, the afterlife is stated to transcend a set of dimensions, which would entail that it is greater than something that exists mind independently which would be possible IF AND ONLY IF the afterlife itself did the same. Goku was able to shake the macrocosm which includes the afterlife, making him Outerversal.



And Vegeta scales to Goku ofc



Conclusion: Vegeta scales to outerversal. Any objections?

 

[Ebihara]

This is a versus thread. Not a CRT.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

This is a versus thread. Not a CRT.

This is a character debate right? Pretty sure you scale your character during in it

 

[Ebihara]

This is a character debate right? Pretty sure you scale your character during in it

No. We have profiles.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

I dont know what you mean by that

 

[Ebihara]

Read the orginal post. In it is the key for each chatcter being used and a link to the profiles we use on the wiki.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Oh so we only use what's in profiles? Ok but what's crt mean

 

[Ebihara]

Oh so we only use what's in profiles? Ok but what's crt mean

Yes.

CRT means content revision thread. Which is how you get stuff on the profiles changed. It requires staff voting to approve it.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Ok I'll try come back later

 

[StarShooter80]

alright he got downgraded so we can continue

What form does Vegeta start in?

In SSJG he should be at the same level as Pillow (Well higher since Goku's base is stronger by the time of Res F, who Vegeta would scale to), and as a SSJB he's 50x stronger. And on top of that he has a one-shot difference with charged attacks like the Galick Gun, and even higher potency with the Big Bang attack (Final Flash too but he never uses it outside of desperate/specific situations, like if the opponent just allows him to do it)

But in any other form (Base, SSJ, & SSJ2) he's infinitely weaker.

 

[Psychomaster35]

I should note that Pillow should upscale from baseline 2 universes as One's feat was done extremely casually, Two is superior to her in power, Grassy can hurt Two, and Pillow can straight up one-shot Grassy.

So basically, Pillow can one-shot those who scale above baseline 2 universes.

 

[StarShooter80]

I should note that Pillow should upscale from baseline 2 universes as One's feat was done extremely casually, Two is superior to her in power, Grassy can hurt Two, and Pillow can straight up one-shot Grassy.

So basically, Pillow can one-shot those who scale above baseline 2 universes.

Goku and Vegeta trained in between the year gap between bog and res f, with accelerated training and battle development on top of that they should also be far above baseline 2 universes as SSGs

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I noticed that Vegeta has some pretty good advantages.

• Vegeta is a martial arts master, and Pillow only has regular experience when it comes to brawling and brutality. Vegeta can be brutal as well though, so unlike with a lot of the TPOT contestants, Pillow has good competition. Vegeta is far more skilled and would be able to dodge Pillow's attacks.
• Vegeta can use ki blasts to apply pressure from a distance like Pillow can using fire shots. Vegeta could teleport behind Pillow to avoid fire and disarm her. Vegeta could use his Dirty Fireworks technique to cause the flamethrower or maybe even Pillow herself to explode from the inside out, at a distance. Pillow could use stretchy limbs to her advantage, but she has never used it to a degree like Pin grabbing a moon of Jupiter from Earth. Overall, Vegeta has the advantage for ranged combat.
• It's expected for Vegeta to fly, as he has done many times throughout his series. Meanwhile Pillow has only ignored gravity during BFB 5 and TPOT 6, meaning Vegeta has a major experience advantage when it comes to mobility options.

However, it seems that Pillow takes the edge in attack potency by a lot...

I should note that Pillow should upscale from baseline 2 universes as One's feat was done extremely casually, Two is superior to her in power, Grassy can hurt Two, and Pillow can straight up one-shot Grassy.

So basically, Pillow can one-shot those who scale above baseline 2 universes.

Your scaling might imply Pillow would one-shot Two: One's timeline restoration (casually Low Multiverse level) < Two ≈ Grassy < Pillow. I find this should be formatted differently, being careful with phrasing. It's inconsistent because...

• The content revision thread that led to Pillow having Low Multiverse level strength was accepted under the notion that the contestant scale down from Four and Two. The contestants scale to breaking the blocks Two created that are durable enough to withstand a power charged punch from Two, but that led to it being accepted that the contestants are only within Two's league.
• Two has "limitless power" within the narrative of the setting where Pillow and all the other contestants are competing to win that power. This ties into the result of the aforementioned content revision thread.
• In the same clip of TPOT 1 you linked, Pillow gets a good hit on Two, and it led to Two getting knocked in the opposite direction but the hit didn't bruise them visibly, let alone one-shot them. All the other contestants that harmed Two were able to knock them around but not visibly bruise them, so their scaling to Two should all be the same. The scene of Two getting beaten up smash cut to the voting screen where Two appeared perfectly fine, so Two probably wasn't influenced much by getting beaten up.
• When Grassy trained to become stronger sometime between TPOT 6 and TPOT 7, he was punching the strength test carnival attraction multiple times without breaking it. Two's powered up punch had broken this contraption in one hit. Post-training Grassy is still competing to win Two's power.

Here is a better method that still leads to Pillow being as strong as you concluded: One's timeline restoration (casually Low Multiverse level) ≈ Two's power charged punch / Two's blocks ≈ post-training Grassy < Pillow < the full scope of Two's limitless power.


The real question is: Is Pillow's power advantage enough to overcome Vegeta's immense skills, experience, and various moves?

I would also like to point out that Vegeta's lifting strength is Class M meanwhile Pillow's is Multi-Stellar or Multi-Galactic, meaning if Pillow can get a good grab, Vegeta's spine is going to get snapped in half.