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I think what Minato discussed is the sage art chakra bandage from Madara's Six Paths with Obito, indeed the comparison is a bit far because Madara had previously absorbed Hashirama's power
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but I don't know whether this has an effect or not, what is clear is that Minato should be talking about sage art chakra
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Use the manga.
Minato is referring to Six Paths Sage power, which Obito also had as the Juubiβs jinchΕ«riki, and heβs saying Madara > Obito. Itβs pretty simple.
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i am sorry.
I don't think so, the picture you gave was when Minato sensed his Sage Mode sense, he felt that his Sage Mode exceeded Obito's, yes it's quite simple because Madara took Hashirama's (Sage) chakra, not referring to the Six Path Chakra
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what is meant by "stronger than Obito possessed" is because Obito absorbs the juubi that already has Sage Chakra in it, Madara is considered more than Obito because he absorbs the juubi that already has Sage Chakra in it + Hashirama Chakra (Sage)
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I think youβre making the statement more complicated than it needs to be. Minato says he senses stronger Sage Power than what Obito possessed. Obito possessed Six Paths Sage power, so Madaraβs Six Paths Sage power is superior to Obitoβs.
But even if your interpretation was correctβ¦ it doesnβt really matter. Juubidaraβs still stronger than Juubito, and thereβs no reason for Juubito to backscale, he doesnβt have anything putting him at Tier 5.
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Sage power is Six Paths chakra, not Senjutsu
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Is there an argument for ftl juubito? Kakashi with a portion of his six paths chakra and eye was able to keep up with kaguya, and iirc the only times juubito was ever tagged was through teleportation or senjutsu attacks breaking thru his tsos
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When did he ever keep up with her?
If you mean track her movements he did that without SPC and with no Sharingans
He tagged her by freefalling on some stupid shit and he could track her movement for the entire fight
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Ain't Sakura dodge the arm as well?
And the ashbones that he and Obito could outrun even when he had no Sharingan or SPC?
And the ashbones that he and Obito could outrun even when he had no Sharingan or SPC?
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Nah right before kakashi saved her you can see the ten tails hand shadow right on top of her. Naruto even desperately yelled for sasuke to save her with his rinnegan
and uhh I can look back to check but the only time I remember obito and kakashi interacting with her ash bones was when kaguya herself and her aim were being affected and distorted by her gravity dimension. plus they didnβt outrun them just react to them Iβm pretty sure
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Before that though, she outran it too
Obito outran it, Kamui'd it away from Kakashi, and got hit, all while being affected by the same gravity
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I mean yeah her initial response was to jump out of the way but the hand was instantly right on her the next panel. Even her facial expression shows that sheβs ******, plus someone with ftl reactions like spsm naruto calling it super fast should be good support as well
Where did obito outrun it exactly? They both ran in front of kaguya before she actually launched the bones
and does the heavy gravity not even the playing field regarding mobility?
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Why are yβall talking about speed 
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My bad lol the topic is juubito so I just felt like bringing that up real quickWhy are yβall talking about speed
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The OP has been dealt with anyways
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The third form of juubi has never shown its full power and vsb itself only says that the strength of the third form of juubi is far higher than the second form of juubi or tenpachi, so we have never known the strength of the 3rd form of juubi. because juubi obito only lacks the strength of gyuki and kurama and is weaker than the full power juubi, then we can downscale this and this is of course logical because the strength of juubi obito and juubi full power is only slightly different in gyuki and kurama
why can i make such an assumption? I will try to think simply. Juubi Obito only lacks the full power of Gyuki and Kurama and you could say it's 50% of the power of Juubi Obito, because as we know Kurama is superior to other Bijuu, therefore I consider them 50% power of Juubi Obito.
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Because the power of the third juubi form is weaker than the juubi's full power because the juubi's third form lacks gyuki and kurama full power, therefore I downscale it to a lower level and you could say 5C is low ball enough for that.
In the scan Obito is clearly able to penetrate Madara's durability and that's not Zetsu. You can check in chapter 665 it is clear that it was Obito who did it with his own consciousness
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Ahh oke, next time i will fixed it. Thanks for the advice
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Why can not? Juubito is also one of the god tiers in naruto because in his prime, no one can touch him and narusasu at that time was just a bag
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Therefore, because juubito is weaker than madara which is L5-B, juubito can be downscaled to 5C
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Thats not how that works
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Even though everything in Kaguya's dimension is subject to gravity, isn't it still Kaguya's bones are ftl but slower? And obito who at that time was also exposed to the same gravity was able to keep up with the bone.
If obito has a slower speed than ftl kaguya bone, then obito will not have time to get to the bone because they are in the same gravity with different speed.
What do you think? @ssgengar
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Read the reasons above why i downscaled it
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Nope.
The gap between the first and the final form is already arbitrary. One cannot claim the third form downscales from the final one just because "it should be close in power", as we don't know that
Why? Literally, why?
Again, I ask you, why would the power translate linearly? This hasn't been the case with any of the forms
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Seeing as how kurama subdued like 5 beasts with relative ease, it's safe to assume that it carries way more than 50% power of the juubi
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How exactly did you arrive at 5-C?
What's the value you're proposing he gets?
Iirc, nobody in the verse has a 5-C rating
Do you have any logical assumption as to why he becomes moon level?
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Disagree FRA
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Oh damn I forgot obito did this
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Is there a LN statement that says Obito was almost at the save of six path level
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Hard to say because obito and kakashi began running before she fired her bones
But like I said before with only a portion of his six paths chakra kakashi kept up with kaguya briefly, which I think is good support
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He said it himself numerous times and nobody argued against it, but I donβt know how much weight self proclamations hold
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Well, this statement was from the author or narrator
But the actual statement can be interpreted in more than one way
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I think the author says the Same thing in the Naruto Ln ,I don't know how to post scans on wiki tho
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Hold onI think the author says the Same thing in the Naruto Ln ,I don't know how to post scans on wiki tho
Testarossa002
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Here you go
From Shikamaru Hiden
From Shikamaru Hiden
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Kurama's strength can be said to be equivalent to 5 beasts, so it can be assumed that the Bijuu Obito who absorbs 7 Bijuu is already comparable to Kurama + Gyuki which means that Bijuu Obito only gets 50% power from the full power of the Bijuu that has Kurama + Gyuki because the assumption is that the Bijuu Obito is equal to kurama+gyuki.
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Using linear calculations to measure the Juubi's strength
-Juubi is formed from 9 biju+gedo mazo shells
-Juubi absorbed by Obito is a Juubi that takes a full 7 biju + small flakes from Kurama + Gyuki
-If using Biju Dama Fighting Calculation (Chap 570)
-(1/2 Kurama = 5 Biju, 1 Kurama = 10 Biju?)
-This is a feat from naruto who has 1/2 of Kurama's chakra can withstand even more powerful than 5 biju
-Assuming that Biju 1-7 have the same strength is not unusual because they can form a tailed beast of the same size and state by shukaku if the tail also determines strength
-Gyuki alone can hold 2 tailed beasts alone, he can be equal to 2 tailed beasts if he can. If you add up using rough calculations, Kurama can be considered stronger than all the tailed beasts, especially with the tail statement affecting the strength of the tailed beasts, which is 10 beasts, the Juubi requires 19 Biju in strength, with the benchmark 1 earlier. If in total obito has 7 beasts + a little power from Kurama and gyuki let's assume the Chakra reaches 60% of the size of one beast
Juubi Obito = 7.6 out of 19 beasts to reach the perfect Juubi
Juubi Obito = 40% of Juubi Fullpower
This is the result if we want to use the calculation linearly.
Oh ya, is there any reason other than not using linear calculations/bad assumptions?
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I did this because I saw an upgrade to sakura, hinata, shikamaru who became planet level (5B) or guy who became L5B and Juubito didn't get an upgrade at all even though Juubito at that time was very superior and no one could touch it, this is very illogical. The power scaling that has occurred has been damaged because the actual narrative is very illogical that Sakura, Hinata, or Shikamaru can be much stronger than Juubito and I think Juubito should be above their level.
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Do you think the translation would be different?
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