Upgrade Genshin Speed and Conceptual Manipulation type 2

[Furina003]

Upgrade Speed
Based on the calculations here Accepted.
lawachurl is able to fight and match varesa's speed, all the playable characters are stronger than lawachurl. So this calculation will increase the speed of all hypersonic genshin characters to hypersonic+

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The raw CN text says the Ley Lines is a conceptual network, contradicting the official EN text where it said "mysterious network" instead. It's rather a mistranslation on MiHoYo's side.

Since the Ley Lines are already established to universally govern all of Teyvat.

weaving the Ley Line network as a single network as a whole warps the entirely of the world at its complete scale.

manipulating the Ley Lines should grant the users Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation.

As a byproduct, the Elemental Lifeforms should also get Type 2 Concept attributed to their abstract existence as their existence directly pertains to Ley Lines.

Agree: @OmniScalator @Dog3352 (CM2) @ActuallySpaceMan42 (CM2)
Disagree: @Dog3352 (Speed & AE1) @ActuallySpaceMan42 (AE1 & Speed)
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[OmniScalator]

Well I agree

Also you can mention that all the playable characters are stronger than lawachurl to some degree and that is the reason they are getting this upgrade

 

[Furina003]

Well I agree

Also you can mention that all the playable characters are stronger than lawachurl to some degree and that is the reason they are getting this upgrade

Ok

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Upgrade Speed
Based on the calculations here Accepted.
lawachurl is able to fight and match varesa's speed, So this calculation will increase the speed of all hypersonic genshin characters to hypersonic+

this isnt enough evidence, and varesa is more likely to be Massively Hypersonic+ by scaling from likes of Mualani and Kachina.
And that story telling was just rumors as said in trailer so im not exactly sure if lawachurl matched her 100% or not.

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This should be relatively straightforward.

The raw CN text says the Ley Lines is a conceptual network, contradicting the official EN text where it said "mysterious network" instead. It's rather a mistranslation on MiHoYo's side.

Since the Ley Lines are already established to universally govern all of Teyvat.

weaving the Ley Line network as a single network as a whole warps the entirely of the world at its complete scale.

manipulating the Ley Lines should grant the users Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation.

As a byproduct, the Elemental Lifeforms should also get Type 2 Concept attributed to their abstract existence as their existence directly pertains to Ley Lines.

Given the CN used i think this should be eval-ed by CN translation helper

 

[Furina003]

this isnt enough evidence, and varesa is more likely to be Massively Hypersonic+ by scaling from likes of Mualani and Kachina.
And that story telling was just rumors as said in trailer so im not exactly sure if lawachurl matched her 100% or not.

it will be a separate section in varesa's profile later, but i'm not sure characters who have a power rank below varesa will get mhs+ speed, this hypersonic+ speed might be okay to use for lawachurl and all hypersonic characters, because at that time varesa managed to defeat lawachurl.

I think it's not a rumor, but 2 children who told their experience of being saved by Varesa from a monster attack.

Given the CN used i think this should be eval-ed by CN translation helper

Hasn't this feat been evaluated by garrixian? so it should be fine

 

[Furina003]

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[PedjaTarzan]

it will be a separate section in varesa's profile later, but i'm not sure characters who have a power rank below varesa will get mhs+ speed

No only 6 heroes of natlan and kachina have mhs+, rest wont

this hypersonic+ speed might be okay to use for lawachurl and all hypersonic characters, because at that time varesa managed to defeat lawachurl.

I think it's not a rumor, but 2 children who told their experience of being saved by Varesa from a monster attack.

Okay then its fine i guess, but only those who are shown fighting lawachurls since other types of hilichurls are inferior to them.

Hasn't this feat been evaluated by garrixian? so it should be fine

When?

 

[Furina003]

Okay then its fine i guess, but only those who are shown fighting lawachurls since other types of hilichurls are inferior to them.

Its oke

When?

i continued garrixian crt, because it didn't continue and i think this upgrade could work. and we also discussed it on discord before he came out

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i continued garrixian crt, because it didn't continue and i think this upgrade could work. and we also discussed it on discord before he came out

you should have asked first, (But hes banned so...) idk if staff approves its fine then

 

[Furina003]

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[Furina003]

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[Furina003]

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[Furina003]

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[Dog3352]

I disagree with speed, Lawachurl is not following Veresa at movement speed, which is what Veresa has from Hypersonic+, besides, Veresa is clearly not trying to overcome Lawachur in speed, but yes in a physical strengh dispute. Veresa and Lawachurl just put both one leg forward and were already in a force dispute, the movement speed was not even used.

Agree with CM2

 

[Furina003]

it will be a separate section in varesa's profile later, but i'm not sure characters who have a power rank below varesa will get mhs+ speed, this hypersonic+ speed might be okay to use for lawachurl and all hypersonic characters, because at that time varesa managed to defeat lawachurl.

I disagree with speed, Lawachurl is not following Veresa at movement speed, which is what Veresa has from Hypersonic+, besides, Veresa is clearly not trying to overcome Lawachur in speed, but yes in a physical strengh dispute.

for speed can you consider with this argument?

 

[Dog3352]

for speed can you consider with this argument?

I'm not sure what you want me to consider, I don't think lawachur or anyone can climb to Veresa's speed if they don't have any of being equivalent to it at a movement speed.

 

[Dog3352]

As a byproduct, the Elemental Lifeforms should also get Type 2 Concept attributed to their abstract existence as their existence directly pertains to Ley Lines.

I had not seen this part before, but no, it doesn't work.

Elemental beings are pure elementary energy, but their elementary energy exists only in their own body/existence, not in the Ley lines. Ley Lines have their own Elemental Energy circulating, while elemental beings have their own elemental energy that builds their body.

Even if they had one connection to each other, it would be necessary a evidencie that elemental life forms are fundamental existences to the world, and that killing a single form of elemental life significantly affects reality.

 

[Furina003]

I'm not sure what you want me to consider, I don't think lawachur or anyone can climb to Veresa's speed if they don't have any of being equivalent to it at a movement speed.

ok, i will input your vote

I had not seen this part before, but no, it doesn't work.

Elemental beings are pure elementary energy, but their elementary energy exists only in their own body/existence, not in the Ley lines. Ley Lines have their own Elemental Energy circulating, while elemental beings have their own elemental energy that builds their body.

Even if they had one connection to each other, it would be necessary a evidencie that elemental life forms are fundamental existences to the world, and that killing a single form of elemental life significantly affects reality.

ae1 does not have to show Dependence/being bound, it is quite evident that it is an abstract thing, elemental lifeform is a creature that is purely created from the elemental form leyline

 

[Dog3352]

ae1 does not have to show reliability, elemental lifeform is a creature that is purely created from the elemental form leyline

I saw the scans, I just did not downgrade because I have laziness, but getting back to the subject, in this case, no, it would be necessary a evidencie who to kill a form of elemental life would significantly affect reality, because in this case, the CM2 comes exactly that.

 

[Furina003]

I saw the scans, I just did not downgrade because I have laziness, but getting back to the subject, in this case, no, it would be necessary a evidencie who to kill a form of elemental life would significantly affect reality, because in this case, the CM2 comes exactly that, it would not be necessary if the elemental life forms itself were conceptual existences that define only themselves.

ae1 does not need to represent the whole of the abstraction, it is enough to be part of the abstraction, For example, if there is a being who is an abstraction of time, would destroying that person destroy all of time? Obviously not, because he is only a small part of the concept of time itself, not the whole thing.

 

[Furina003]

I saw the scans, I just did not downgrade because I have laziness, but getting back to the subject, in this case, no, it would be necessary a evidencie who to kill a form of elemental life would significantly affect reality, because in this case, the CM2 comes exactly that.

but i will still include your vote in the disagree section for ae1,

 

[Dog3352]

ae1 does not need to represent the whole of the abstraction, it is enough to be part of the abstraction, For example, if there is a being who is an abstraction of time, would destroying that person destroy all of time? Obviously not, because he is only a small part of the concept of time itself, not the whole thing.

Yes, but this is not the case here, since pure elementary energy of Ley lines is not CM2, the Ley lines are only CM2 if you consider several Ley lines, as a single Ley line is not fundamental to be enough to be CM2, let alone a pure elemental energy created by a Ley line.

You would have to qualify pure elemental energy from the ley line as CM2 for elemental lifeforms to be AE1 in CM2, since elemental beings are made only of elemental energy coming out of a ley line.

It is not because the Ley lines are CM2 that the pure elementary energy that comes out of them is also CM2, it would be like saying that the pure energy produced by anyone with AE1 in CM1 is automatically cm1.

 

[Furina003]

Yes, but this is not the case here, since pure elementary energy of Ley lines is not CM2, the Ley lines are only CM2 if you consider several Ley lines, as a single Ley line is not fundamental to be enough to be CM2, let alone a pure elemental energy created by a Ley line.

You would have to qualify pure elemental energy from the ley line as CM2 for elemental lifeforms to be AE1 in CM2, since elemental beings are made only of elemental energy coming out of a ley line.

It is not because the Ley lines are CM2 that the pure elementary energy that comes out of them is also CM2, it would be like saying that the pure energy produced by anyone with AE1 in CM1 is automatically cm1.

Im not sure, but its ok

 

[Furina003]

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[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Based on the calculations here Accepted. lawachurl is able to fight and match varesa's speed, all the playable characters are stronger than lawachurl. So this calculation will increase the speed of all hypersonic genshin characters to hypersonic+

I've been noticing this more and more, so I'm going to start calling it out. This is a Movement Speed feat, and it should not apply to anything beyond that. Also, as Dog said, clearly it's not matching her speed.

Anyway, disagree with AE, but CM Type 2 seems fine.

 

[Furina003]

I've been noticing this more and more, so I'm going to start calling it out. This is a Movement Speed feat, and it should not apply to anything beyond that. Also, as Dog said, clearly it's not matching her speed.

Anyway, disagree with AE, but CM Type 2 seems fine.

Ok, thanks for your evaluation

 

[Reiner04]

Am in agreement with the dog, though he is but a dog.

 

[Furina003]

Am in agreement with the dog, though he is but a dog.

ok, like look the CM type 2 is accepted, I will implement it and close this crt.

thanks for the evaluation