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From this post it can be seen that their hakai is 5-D.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/beerus-upgrade-part-2.147974/

But to be honest, hakai comes from their ki, which makes me think their ki should be 5-D as well.

This means that all other attacks coming from his Ki are 5-D and the Ap should also be 5-D.

And that makes the durability of those who can withstand his Ki attacks like Goku who can take Beerus' ki blast should gain 5D durability and he fighting Beerus or others should give Stats. They are 5-D too.
 
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What is this?
 
You know it's only 5-D EE because it was able to bypass a 5-D resistance? It hasn't affected any 5-D structures or physically affected anyone 5-D nor is there anything 5-D in DBS for scaling a solid tier.
 
Dereck03 said:
You know it's only 5-D EE because it was able to bypass a 5-D resistance? It hasn't affected any 5-D structures or physically affected anyone 5-D nor is there anything 5-D in DBS for scaling a solid tier.
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That's an EE 4-D or 3-D that can only penetrate 5-D resistance, but not an EE 5-D?
 
Bruh, the Low 1C ratings might get deleted because of the recent downgrade thread for Dr. Slump. Best to close this.

As for Hakai, I'm a little conflicted. Hakai by nature is EE, which bypasses durability, so it working on a 5D level shouldn't affect scaling, especially since the argument is that it bypasses Tier 1 hax in the first place. However, the fact that a Hakai can be overcome through a powerful enough ki (as shown by Frieza resisting Sidra's hakai, and then getting absolutely bodied by Toppo's due to the power difference in their energies of destruction, or even just Vegeta punching through Toppo's hakai after a power boost) imply that it's dependent on Ki strength.

Still, I'm already a little doubtful of the Low 1C stuff to begin with. Neutral for now, but leaning towards disagreeing.

Edit: I disagree after a bit of thought.
 
Honestly, I'm a little confused why this concern wasn't brought up before with the nature of Dragon Ball's powerscaling. Energy of Destruction is basically the Hakai, but in slightly different application (with it being described as the literal hakai), and has the same properties as the Hakai (erasing the body and soul and blah blah blah), yet several users have tanked it through raw strength alone. Going off this logic, that would make literally everyone in Dragon Ball that scales to like Base Goku Low 1C...which is just...wow
 
Even though Hakai is 5D and it's made up of ki it doesn't mean that ki energy is 5D in every and all case.
You sure can say that ki gets upto 5D because it can create EE like hakai but it wouldn't be 5D in nature in all cases.

And the other thing is hakai is a EE.
We don't scale AP, durability and other stats by haxx, if any character is able to withstand hakai then his durability wouldn't be 5D but he have haxx resistance to 5D EE.
 
Zexer1 said:
Even though Hakai is 5D and it's made up of ki it doesn't mean that ki energy is 5D in every and all case.
You sure can say that ki gets upto 5D because it can create EE like hakai but it wouldn't be 5D in nature in all cases.

And the other thing is hakai is a EE.
We don't scale AP, durability and other stats by haxx, if any character is able to withstand hakai then his durability wouldn't be 5D but he have haxx resistance to 5D EE.
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You're saying ki 4-D but can power 5-D? It doesn't make sense.

So why is only ki using hakai that is 5-D as long as it is always in the body? If it is 5-D then it should be 5-D all the same.
 
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