Update Jiren to Tier Low 2-C

[JohnCenaNation]

When Jiren was powering up, he shook the entire World of Void, an isolated place outside of the multiverse with literally no time or space. As the name implies, it is a void world with infinite nothingness. Which scared everyone in presence. So yeah....shaking a realm of infinite size is greater than a simple universal level.

 

[LordGinSama]

This is currently being discussed in a different thread.

 

[Therefir]

Staff already discussed that here.

 

[Huesito88]

It's a High 3-A feat

 

[AllFiction]

Also, it was also stated that Jiren is the strongest enemy Goku's ever faced, which would make him Low 2-C by scaling.

Jiren > Infinite Zamasu

 

[Newendigo]

Also, it was also stated that Jiren is the strongest enemy Goku's ever faced, which would make him Low 2-C by scaling.
Jiren > Infinite Zamasu

Nani....?!

 

[Huesito88]

It was, I also would like to point out that the narrator may give more context in the next episode like when goku and beerus were going to destroy the universe

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Did Goku actually fight Infinite Zamasu though?

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Did Goku actually fight Infinite Zamasu though?

He was planning to all by himself if only had a senzu bean. I mean if Future Zeno thinks Jiren is impressive; whereas he thinks Infinite Zamasu is annoying, you know something is wrong here.

 

[Huesito88]

Goku, trunks, and vegeta blasted a attack which forced them into a beam struggle with infinite zamasu. They obviously lost they lost the beam clash. Goku even was thinking on fight him, If he just had a senzu bean with him

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Goku surviving attacks from infinite zamasu or saying he could take him is pis, he was getting trashed by a far weaker version of zamasu.

 

[Huesito88]

Obviously it's pis

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Goku surviving attacks from infinite zamasu or saying he could take him is pis, he was getting trashed by a far weaker version of zamasu.

Future Zeno thought Infinite Zamasu was annoying, did he said the same thing to Jiren? No, he was rather impressed.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

That doesn't mean much, using zeno as a standard who is hilariously above everyone, doesn't justify anything, also difference between zamasu and jiren is zamasu literally took over the universe and was trying to take over everything, while jiren is a strong dude fighting in a tournament, zeno would erase both of them easily anyway.

As for jiren being>infinite zamasu, i think that requires more proof.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

That doesn't mean much, using zeno as a standard who is hilariously above everyone, doesn't justify anything, also difference between zamasu and jiren is zamasu literally took over the universe and was trying to take over everything, while jiren is a strong dude fighting in a tournament, zeno would erase both of them easily anyway.
As for jiren being>infinite zamasu, i think that requires more proof.

Well Beerus wasn't even brothered by Infinite Zamasu, could the same thing be said for Jiren? Beerus was scared the hell out of Jiren.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I agree with needing more proof.

For one, Goku wasnt the only one facing I.Z. so just because Jiren Gokus strongest opponent doesn't mean Jiren is neccesarily above a guy who was against everyone. And Goku didnt even fight him.

Second, that was a single statement made by Shin who kinda isnt the most reliable. He even thought Pui-Pui and Zarkon were too strong for Goku, Vegeta and Gohan.

 

[Huesito88]

Didn't Matt address those last two sentences. I do agree with waiting though

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

He did? What was said to address that?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Professor Agreed shin isn't a credible source, we need more proof to back it up especially when we are dealing with putting characters on tiers infinetly above where they currently are, for now jiren and goku will be High 3-A.

 

[Huesito88]

Wait I thought jiren and goku were going to be placed on the High 3-A that isn't infinitely below low 2-C

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Huesito Low 2-C is infinelty above High 3-A. High 3-A is infinite 3-D/limited 4-D power but Low 2-C is 4-D power, 4-D will always be greater than 3-D power regardless of the level, an infinite 3-D being is still just a 3-D being, and still infinitely below a 4-D being.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Exactly. Also something else.

Like you said, Goku got curbstomped by a far weaker version of Zamasu and anything less is PIS. So then obviously IZ is stronger by a hilarious degree.

Not only did Goku not fight IZ (plus Shin knowing Goku even wanted to fight him...how?) but since both Zamasus are still much stronger than Goku, for all we know Shins statement at best could just apply to the Zamasu goku fought and lost against, which is just 3-A. In addition, we'd also have to consider Goku even fighting Jiren to be PIS in this scenerio since if Jiren is stronger than any of Goku's opponents, then Goku suddenly closing such a wide gap out of nowhere would make no sense even with a new form. Unless the statement is just that,a statement.

 

[Extreme123dz]

No

 

[Therefir]

Exactly. Also something else.
Like you said, Goku got curbstomped by a far weaker version of Zamasu and anything less is PIS. So then obviously IZ is stronger by a hilarious degree.

Not only did Goku not fight IZ (plus Shin knowing Goku even wanted to fight him...how?) but since both Zamasus are still much stronger than Goku, for all we know Shins statement at best could just apply to the Zamasu goku fought and lost against, which is just 3-A. In addition, we'd also have to consider Goku even fighting Jiren to be PIS in this scenerio since if Jiren is stronger than any of Goku's opponents, then Goku suddenly closing such a wide gap out of nowhere would make no sense even with a new form. Unless the statement is just that,a statement.

Is not only a statement, Jiren and Goku really shake the world of void.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Not at all talking about the void in that reply.

 

[Huesito88]

Well it seems I can't find it but I was told a while back that High 3-A isn't always infinitely below Low 2-C. But it probably doesn't apply to jiren and goku feat

 

[Paleomario66]

There's no reason to say Infinite Zamasu is infinitely superior to regular Fusion Zamasu though. That honestly doesn't make any sense. Also, SSB Kaioken Goku was able to damage Fusion Zamasu (pre-Light of Justice), and SSR Trunks and SSB Vegeta matched Fusion Zamasu's Holy Wrath.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Paleomario66 This is a character index wiki, you think the writers of the series are thinking that the feat a character performs makes them infinetly above the another? No they just think it makes them stronger, they don't analyze this stuff, that's what we do here, according to our system fusion zamasu is infinitely weaker than infinite zamasu, do the writers think the difference between them is that much? Probably not, but that's what their feats indicate.

 

[Paleomario66]

I'm sure the authors don't analyze it. It doesn't make sense, since there's nothing implying Infinite Zamasu being stronger than regular Fusion Zamasu. That's what I'm saying.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Except he has better feats, that's the important part.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Listen becoming one with space-time puts infinite zamasu infinelty above his previous self, infinite zamasu is 4-D, regular zamasu is just 3-D, a 4-D being>infinetly above a 3-D being.

This is what their feats indicate, and that's what we go by.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

For shin not being a credible source.

He was There, he knows sll about infinite zamasu, he seen him in action, add the fact whis was gonna 1v1 infinite zamasu if Zeno didn't get involved too.

Goku thinking he can take him is bullshit, shin and whis are credible though.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Still too speculative, we need direct proof saying jiren>infinite zamasu otherwise don't think we should put him infintely above his current tiering based on assumptions, who knows if whis and beerus could really take infinite zamasu, maybe they could only do it due to some hax ability or something and not raw power, we could assume they could (actually i believe the angels are low 2-C, especially the grand priest.), but we have no proof.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Jiren Thot Destroyer

Begone thread.