Universal laws= concept?

[Fixxed]

Universal laws=Concept right?

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

no

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

that's just a universal constant instead of an idea

 

[Fixxed]

no

In law and ethics, universal law or universal principle refers as concepts of legal legitimacy actions, whereby those principles and rules for governing human beings' conduct which are most universal in their acceptability, their applicability, translation, and philosophical basis, are therefore considered to be most

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

In law and ethics, universal law or universal principle refers as concepts of legal legitimacy actions, whereby those principles and rules for governing human beings' conduct which are most universal in their acceptability, their applicability, translation, and philosophical basis, are therefore considered to be most

hmm...really need to ask staff about this one

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

following

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Nah, laws are rules, concepts are ideas.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Nah, laws are rules, concepts are ideas.

exactly

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We don't necessarily conceptual manipulation or Law Manipulation for someone who mentions building, fixing, or distorting the "Laws of the Universe."

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

We don't necessarily conceptual manipulation or Law Manipulation for someone who mentions building, fixing, or distorting the "Laws of the Universe."

idk man, that sounds like not giving a character superhuman strength for blowing up a building with a punch.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That's a completely different situation; conceptual and law stuff are much more complex than superhuman physical characteristics. Example of Conceptual manipulation is being able to erase the concept of pain, and know no one can experience any kind of pain until the same character or another character with conceptual manipulation recreates it. DontTalkDT has written a list of implied abilities that are not added by default solely based on being the creator of the universe.

 

[Fixxed]

Nah, laws are rules, concepts are ideas.

Universal laws is called principle tho

"universal law or universal principle"

and if we use Wikipedia . according to Aristotle's. Universal law is also known as law of nature and this is what he explains ↓↓↓

The best evidence of Aristotle's having thought there was a natural law comes from the Rhetoric, where Aristotle notes that, aside from the "particular" laws that each people has set up for itself, there is a "common" law that is according to nature.[19] Specifically, he quotes Sophocles and Empedocles

Universal law is the law of Nature. For there really is, as every one to some extent divines, a natural justice and injustice that is binding on all men, even on those who have no association or covenant with each other. It is this that Sophocles' Antigone clearly means when she says that the burial of Polyneices was a just act in spite of the prohibition: she means that it was just by nature:

"Not of to-day or yesterday it is,
But lives eternal: none can date its birth."
And so Empedocles, when he bids us kill no living creature, he is saying that to do this is not just for some people, while unjust for others:

"Nay, but, an all-embracing law, through the realms of the sky
Unbroken it stretcheth, and over the earth's immensity."[20]

And i think the best example in here if universal laws is qualified become concept is "Order" From Mgkf #Cmiiw.

We don't necessarily conceptual manipulation or Law Manipulation for someone who mentions building, fixing, or distorting the "Laws of the Universe."

Its like Flowery words sentence/Flowery words feats. And yeah if those feats are proven to be flowery words, then they are not qualified to become CM/LAW MANIP.

However Law manipulation on higher scale can change fundamental logikal/ principle tho

The ability to manipulate "laws" that automatically apply themselves upon reality, referring to rules, mandates and even fundamental logical principles/truths/facts that are the way in which a reality may function

 

[Fixxed]

Or Manipulation of the law of fundamental qualitative change is Equal with CM?

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Universal laws is called principle tho

Being a principle or fundamental" ≠ concept.

Concepts are abstract ideas that defines things, while (universal) laws are rules that govern something and mantain it how it works. Both are or at least, can be fundamental, but they aren't really the same on the way of functions, so unless there are notable implications that they are correlated to each other, manipulating either of them won't be qualified as Conceptual nor Law Manipulation.

And i think the best example in here if universal laws is qualified become concept is "Order" From Mgkf #Cmiiw.

I don't understand why would you brought a fictional verse to generalize how it works.

However Law manipulation on higher scale can change fundamental logikal/ principle tho

Yes, and changing them doesn't mean = Conceptual Manipulation. Just because it is fundamental, that doesn't that it is a Conceptual Manipulation, concepts are concepts and laws are laws.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah nah. But if the series outright calls it a concept and went with “similar to the laws of X” as supporting details, you could argue it as a conceptual hax then.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

BTW why do we consider orders in misfit of demon king to be laws AND concepts when they where specifically stated to be laws?

 

[imZer0Null]

The various laws that make up the world, or the power of the gods that keep these laws normal. There are various orders such as “time”, “creation”, and “destruction”, and the same number of gods control them.

- LN Keyword

"It is the reason why this world is the world it is. Why is a bird a bird, why is a demon a demon? The heavens send down rain to moisten the earth and nurture the trees. If you draw a magic circle and put magic power into the magic formula, the light will come on. These are what we call the laws of nature, the laws of magic, the order that makes this world what it is."

- WN Chapter 120

I just want to clarify that order in Maou Gakuin is treated as laws and concepts because order is stated to be "the reason why the world is the world it is" and "the laws of nature, the laws of magic, the order that makes this world what it is", and is also further explained to be the reason why for example a bird is a bird and a demon is a demon (concepts), and the reason why for example rain falls from the sky to moisten the earth and nurture the trees (laws).

There's a bit more information regarding this on Maou Gakuin's cosmology blog.

 

[Ningenron]

Depnds on the verse ig.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

I just want to clarify that order in Maou Gakuin is treated as laws and concepts because order is stated to be "the reason why the world is the world it is" and "the laws of nature, the laws of magic, the order that makes this world what it is", and is also further explained to be the reason why for example a bird is a bird and a demon is a demon (concepts), and why for example rain falls from the sky to moisten the earth and nurture the trees (laws).

There's a bit more information regarding this on Maou Gakuin's cosmology blog.

so they are laws, but are concepts as well.

 

[Odinson]

This question proves you haven't done much research on the term 'concept'
Laws aren't ideas, concepts are.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

This question proves you haven't done much research on the term 'concept'
Laws aren't ideas, concepts are.

no, i just meant for misfit verse, since orders, tho called laws, does the job of concepts as well.

 

[Odinson]

no, i just meant for misfit verse, since orders, tho called laws, does the job of concepts as well.

I was replying to "Fixxed" and not you. It is my fault for not quoting who I was replying.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

I was replying to "Fixxed" and not you. It is my fault for not quoting who I was replying.

ah, ok