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Undead Unluck Discussion Thread

You gotta update Beast since you put decon for Isshin. Why decon also? Breaking stuff isn’t decon.
There are many abilities linked to the Negators that have nothing to do with their ability (like UNjustice being linked to morality manip or Unruin linked to causality)
Unbreakable is just one of those negations that don't fit with the standard layout for negation abilities. It's Law Manip, Concept Manip, and Invulnerability.
Unbreakable grants Invulnerability via negating the concept of breaking. With that said, after checking the Powers and Abilities page I narrowed down it down to Durability Negation and Deconstruction, and I chose to go with the Deconstruction since it's the one that's literally about breaking things down to smaller pieces, therefore being the closest one to the concept of breaking.
 
There is no P&A for "Break", and Deconstruction has implications that "Break" does not, making it inappropriate. Unbreakable simply doesn't fit the standard negation ability P&A format.
 
Unbreakable grants Invulnerability via negating the concept of breaking. With that said, after checking the Powers and Abilities page I narrowed down it down to Durability Negation and Deconstruction, and I chose to go with the Deconstruction since it's the one that's literally about breaking things down to smaller pieces, therefore being the closest one to the concept of breaking.
Decon has nothing to do with breaking though?
 
There is no P&A for "Break", and Deconstruction has implications that "Break" does not, making it inappropriate. Unbreakable simply doesn't fit the standard negation ability P&A format.
Decon has nothing to do with breaking though?
I am well-aware of that but like I said it was the closest option I could think of since there is no other ability listed that's about breaking things down.
 
Because the ability does not exist. Negation of "Deconstruction" would, as the wiki defines it, not allow Unbreakable to shield against AP. Unbreakable is simply invulnerability, law, & concept manip.
 
Because the ability does not exist. Negation of "Deconstruction" would, as the wiki defines it, not allow Unbreakable to shield against AP. Unbreakable is simply invulnerability, law, & concept manip.
Invulnerability is already listed in her profile so there's no issues there., The thing is though Invulnerability is simply the effect that her ability grants not the ability itself. Her character bio clearly states that her ability is "imbuing what she creates with a power that negates breaking" so I'd say this is the closest fit.
 
"imbuing what she creates with a power that negates breaking"
I know how negation abilities work and why they are often formatted as eg. "Negation of the Rule(law manip) of Death(death manip)". Unbreakable would be indexed on this wiki as Invulnerability via Law Manip and Concept Manip. Because there is no breaking page. It is what it is.
 
I know how negation abilities work and why they are often formatted as eg. "Negation of the Rule(law manip) of Death(death manip)". Unbreakable would be indexed on this wiki as Invulnerability via Law Manip and Concept Manip. Because there is no breaking page. It is what it is.
So do you think Durability Negation would be a better fit then? Cause it is said in the Invulnerability page that it's the polar opposite of it
 
I know how negation abilities work and why they are often formatted as eg. "Negation of the Rule(law manip) of Death(death manip)". Unbreakable would be indexed on this wiki as Invulnerability via Law Manip and Concept Manip. Because there is no breaking page. It is what it is.
No, it is just concept, law, and invul. There's nothing to add on.
The rules that the Uma's govern over are shown to encompass everything related to. With that said, wouldn't the rule of "breaking" also include Deconstruction as well?
 
The rules that the Uma's govern over are shown to encompass everything related to. With that said, wouldn't the rule of "breaking" also include Deconstruction as well?
Decon isn't about pure breaking. It's about deconstructing the material through special means.

Note: Natural side effects from powers, such as Energy Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation, and other abilities that can produce enough energy output to destroy or dismantle objects, do not mean that characters automatically qualify for this ability, unless the abilities in question specifically and directly focus on deconstruction in itself, rather than as a consequence.
 
Decon isn't about pure breaking. It's about deconstructing the material through special means.

Note: Natural side effects from powers, such as Energy Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation, and other abilities that can produce enough energy output to destroy or dismantle objects, do not mean that characters automatically qualify for this ability, unless the abilities in question specifically and directly focus on deconstruction in itself, rather than as a consequence.
I'm aware of what the Deconstruction page said. What I'm saying is that the Negator's powers are shown to be the polar opposite of their Rules, and so that would mean that the power of the Uma that governs over the concept of breaking would most likely be Deconstruction to reflect that.
 
I'm aware of what the Deconstruction page said. What I'm saying is that the Negator's powers are shown to be the polar opposite of their Rules, and so that would mean that the power of the Uma that governs over the concept of breaking would most likely be Deconstruction to reflect that.
No because decon isn't simply breaking by vsb standards. This is why I showed you the note, Isshin has never reconstructed or constructed something that was deconstructed by site standards, she's only rebuilt or built things to be indestructible.
 
No because decon isn't simply breaking by vsb standards. This is why I showed you the note, Isshin has never reconstructed or constructed something that was deconstructed by site standards, she's only rebuilt or built things to be indestructible.
The extent of this ability can vary from user to user. Some can only break down physical things like matter while others can interact with metaphysical objects like the soul. It differs from traditional Matter Manipulation or other abilities like them by only allowing the user to break things down, not manipulate them. Deconstruction users cannot manipulate things they've already broken down to the fullest extent of their ability.

The note says it can't be a side-effect of other abilities. So long as breaking things down is the abilities' main effect then the method used doesn't matter as evidenced by how Scar and Gildarts can use deconstruction via Alchemy and Magic respectively. With that said, Judging by what we know of Umas I don't think it's a stretch to say that the one that governs the concept of breaking would be capable of directly breaking things down and thus would qualify for Deconstruction.
 
The extent of this ability can vary from user to user. Some can only break down physical things like matter while others can interact with metaphysical objects like the soul. It differs from traditional Matter Manipulation or other abilities like them by only allowing the user to break things down, not manipulate them. Deconstruction users cannot manipulate things they've already broken down to the fullest extent of their ability.

The note says it can't be a side-effect of other abilities. So long as breaking things down is the abilities' main effect then the method used doesn't matter as evidenced by how Scar and Gildarts can use deconstruction via Alchemy and Magic respectively. With that said, Judging by what we know of Umas I don't think it's a stretch to say that the one that governs the concept of breaking would be capable of directly breaking things down and thus would qualify for Deconstruction.
Again Deconstruction is for breaking down matter in a specific way, Unbreakable is about making something unbreakable, nothing else. Your two examples are irrelevant here as they decon in a specific way, they aren’t just decon by alchemy and magic they are:


  • Disassemble: A non-lethal spell of Crush to break apart a person into small, doll-like versions of themselves instead of destroying them. In time, the target will revert to its original form, but Gildarts can hasten this process if he wants to.
So these aren’t simply breaking stuff, this is specific applications of decon. Idk where the disconnect is happening but Isshin has never reconstructed or made something indestructible against an ability which deconstructs meaning there’s nothing to show her ability negates deconstructing and her ability is overall not about negating deconstruction.
What I'm saying is that the Negator's powers are shown to be the polar opposite of their Rules, and so that would mean that the power of the Uma that governs over the concept of breaking would most likely be Deconstruction to reflect that.
This logic doesn’t make sense. Unbreaking and deconstructing aren’t opposites on the site or in real life. Unbreaking is a broad concept meant for things that don’t break, deconstruction is meant usually to indicate something is having its parts separated in a specific way or the whole is being separated to give a specific affect. So while both use the word breaking, they are being meant differently.
 
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