Undead Unluck Discussion Thread

[Arkenis]

Never said it would scale to the majority of characters. Andy, Sun, Luna, and Fuuko with the Heart would scale.

Okay, the scaling still requires us to assume Soul dealt with the supernova in a physical way which there's nothing to show for it.

Perhaps for low end scaling, we should scale characters to those country sized explosions. For higher ends, potentially Sun and Luna creating the earth from a seed, or the eventual consequence of Sun walking into the earth, though is that a chain reaction?

Those attacks were going to kill everyone. Am I just forgetting the manga?

Idk if I'm just lost but Sun destroys the planet through his energy beam which takes time to do so, why are we just arguing for the high interpretation when its generally shown the characters don't scale? Sun and Lan can be SS level with the supernova but they aren't SS physically.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

That would be too much of a lowball. Regular Sun can make supernovas.

Didn't we just go through this?

 

[Cire]

Okay, the scaling still requires us to assume Soul dealt with the supernova in a physical way which there's nothing to show for it.


Those attacks were going to kill everyone. Am I just forgetting the manga?

Idk if I'm just lost but Sun destroys the planet through his energy beam which takes time to do so, why are we just arguing for the high interpretation when its generally shown the characters don't scale? Sun and Lan can be SS level with the supernova but they aren't SS physically.

Soul can physically scale because his entire body is a Soul. You can’t even see him without believing in souls, like how Fuuko wasn’t able to see him last chapter. So any soul attacks he shoots out come from his own energy that makes up his body.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Okay, the scaling still requires us to assume Soul dealt with the supernova in a physical way which there's nothing to show for it.


Those attacks were going to kill everyone. Am I just forgetting the manga?

Oh I meant for the big boy scaling, the crea of the crop. Right now others are scaling to the staff expansion, but surely there's something for the top and God tiers yeah?

 

[Cire]

Like to say that Soul doesn’t scale to his feat of stopping a supernova is ludicrous. He uses soul energy to stop it. His body is made up of soul energy.

 

[Arkenis]

Soul can physically scale because his entire body is a Soul. You can’t even see him without believing in souls, like how Fuuko wasn’t able to see him last chapter. So any soul attacks he shoots out come from his own energy that makes up his body.

This doesn't explain anything but okay.

Like to say that Soul doesn’t scale to his feat of stopping a supernova is ludicrous. He uses soul energy to stop it. His body is made up of soul energy.

Because we have no clue how he does it.

but surely there's something for the top and God tiers yeah?

No clue, because every time people argue about scaling its always Galaxy level or Solar System level from poor scaling.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Like to say that Soul doesn’t scale to his feat of stopping a supernova is ludicrous. He uses soul energy to stop it. His body is made up of soul energy.

You say that, but we still need actual tangible evidence to support such a claim even if it seems obvious, because it's such a massive tier jump

 

[AnAverageUsername]

This doesn't explain anything but okay.


Because we have no clue how he does it.


No clue, because every time people argue about scaling its always Galaxy level or Solar System level from poor scaling.

That's why I mentioned those examples, since they could maybe work for scaling those high and God tiers whatever they may yield.

 

[Cire]

This doesn't explain anything but okay.


Because we have no clue how he does it.


No clue, because every time people argue about scaling its always Galaxy level or Solar System level from poor scaling.

You can’t just say “that doesn’t solve anything” when the answer is right there. His body is made up of soul energy. He shoots out soul attacks. This isn’t that big of a leap. He don’t see him do any haxes. We see him use soul walls to block people off. The logic is there. You can’t just keep saying “nu uh” when I clearly explain why Soul physically scales. Thats just a bad argument.

 

[Cire]

You say that, but we still need actual tangible evidence to support such a claim even if it seems obvious, because it's such a massive tier jump

The tangible evidence is that Soul is made up of souls. It’s not that hard.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

The tangible evidence is that Soul is made up of souls. It’s not that hard.

No, the tangible evidence is actually showing how it was dealt with, we get none of that. Again, as obvious as it may seem to you, it's not going to get passed in a crt for being both a massive jump in power from what we already have and just not being shown. We need showings to support it, or else it's going to be shut down.

 

[Cire]

No, the tangible evidence is actually showing how it was dealt with, we get none of that. Again, as obvious as it may seem to you, it's not going to get passed in a crt for being both a massive jump in power from what we already have and just not being shown. We need showings to support it, or else it's going to be shut down.

I think that’s fairly ridiculous. What would be a plausible alternative to Soul dealing with the supernova that doesn’t involve his powers?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I think that’s fairly ridiculous. What would be a plausible alternative to Soul dealing with the supernova that doesn’t involve his powers?

Simply, we don't know. That's the whole problem with this, its entirely unknown, and it's not like we get anything else to support him potentially doing this on a level this high, because oh would you look at that they all got smoked that easily dammit, what the hell.

 

[Cire]

Simply, we don't know. That's the whole problem with this, its entirely unknown, and it's not like we get anything else to support him potentially doing this on a level this high, because oh would you look at that they all got smoked that easily dammit, what the hell.

Expect we can make a fairly good guess of him using his soul powers to stop the explosion. That’s literally the only way he could do so.

 

[Cire]

His whole power set IS using soul powers. He can’t do anything else.

 

[Arkenis]

You can’t just say “that doesn’t solve anything” when the answer is right there. His body is made up of soul energy. He shoots out soul attacks. This isn’t that big of a leap. He don’t see him do any haxes. We see him use soul walls to block people off. The logic is there. You can’t just keep saying “nu uh” when I clearly explain why Soul physically scales. Thats just a bad argument.

That isn't how scaling works. You don't make assumptions to get your scaling lmao.

Expect we can make a fairly good guess of him using his soul powers to stop the explosion. That’s literally the only way he could do so.

Yeah we can make a guess he has some nullifying power or bfr too. You can guess about anything, it doesn't matter, your reasoning still isn't concrete

 

[Cire]

That isn't how scaling works. You don't make assumptions to get your scaling lmao.


Yeah we can make a guess he has some nullifying power or bfr too. You can guess about anything, it doesn't matter, your reasoning still isn't concrete

Your reasoning isn’t concrete too. You’re just assuming that he has BFR or nullifying when he’s never shown that in the series. Your assumption is way more outrageous than mine.

 

[Arkenis]

Your reasoning isn’t concrete too. You’re just assuming that he has BFR or nullifying when he’s never shown that in the series. Your assumption is way more outrageous than mine.

So we agree then.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

It's all assumptions, that's why we can't make concrete points. Right now, at the maximum, the only thing we can scale the God tiers to are those country sized explosions, and Sun walking into earth with whatever that yields.

 

[Alexander]

It's all assumptions, that's why we can't make concrete points. Right now, at the maximum, the only thing we can scale the God tiers to are those country sized explosions, and Sun walking into earth with whatever that yields.

or rather it is simply giving a massive effort to say that it does not scale

 

[Arkenis]

or rather it is simply giving a massive effort to say that it does not scale

Its the lowest effort possible. You assume Soul blocked it, I say that's an assumption.

 

[Alexander]

Its the lowest effort possible. You assume Soul blocked it, I say that's an assumption.

yeah that sounds less like you want to give the correct scale and more like "lazyness"

 

[Arkenis]

yeah that sounds less like you want to give the correct scale and more like "lazyness"

Nothing is correct about it. And how is it laziness?

 

[Alexander]

Nothing is correct about it. And how is it laziness?

Because they are using the lowest interpretation, which sometimes does not mean It IS the best to fit

 

[Arkenis]

Because they are using the lowest interpretation, which sometimes does not mean It IS the best to fit

Yeah I don't think its the best fit either.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah I don't think its the best fit either.

ok so we are arguing that Galaxy>Sun, when Sun created galaxy and it is established in the story that Sun is basically more powerful than all of his creations

 

[Arkenis]

ok so we are arguing that Galaxy>Sun, when Sun created galaxy and it is established in the story that Sun is basically more powerful than all of his creations

That wasn't what we were arguing about...