Idk who ovy or Yuri is so can you tag them for me pls?
Ummmmm can you give me the Japanese version of this quote? It would be very appreciated
Likely referring to the ladder analogy used in the VN.
とても身近だが交わることのない平行線の世界とでも言おうか…
The translation says :
Not necessarily. The relationship between reality and fiction isn't too different.
depending on context it can mean parralele world or higher world, so surely mean higher world in this context
The VN explicitly uses a ladder analogy, if you turn vertical parallel lines sideways (like the VN describes) you end up with a hierarchy.
Idk if you’re referring to my “weird and unsupported interpretations”, but if you read the Umineko explanation page, there’s approximately 100 scans which support the interpretations I provided.
I have read those pages and nothing there supports whatever fanfiction you were brewing up there.
Not if the ladder is being used to metaphorically refer to a heirarchy.
He meant that they were parallel as one above the other, not parallel like universes.
so..... when we know ladder's are being used as analogies by the VN, this supports the notion the parallel lines are in reference to the steps on the metaphorical ladder.
That's still not how higher layers work. They encompass each other, there is absolutely no "parallel existence" possible for higher layers.
No it doesn't. The context was Beatrice explaining Battler's location to Eva beatrice, not how the meta world works.
Or maybe we just don't need to take literally every sentence any verse uses at face value? This of course goes for both feats and anti feats. But sadly this wouldn't be vswiki if every statement ever wasn't exaggerated to its utmost limits.
This is an example of taking an analogy too far.
I think this is the exact opposite of what I was doing. For better, or for worse.
This is true
no one would argue it.
You don't get to decide arbitrary boundaries on how analogies are to be interpreted. It's all fine if it allows you to exaggerate and wank but "too far" if it goes even slightly in the other direction.
Yes, I think we should take into account the fact that authors don't have PhD in philosophy and semantics and the context of the story matters more than some out of context statements.
I didn’t arbitrarily decide. I took an interpretation that was consistent with the source material as I proved.
Taking "parallel lines" to mean rungs on a metaphorical ladder that obviously has Absolutely nothing to do with how a physical ladder looks like is quite a reaching conclusion I would say.
Sorry if it came that way but that wasn't for you, just me ranting a bit on how we treat tier 1 verses in general
Except we know from the VN (source material) that’s how the cosmology at that point is intended to be visualised.
Yes the cosmology is intended to be visualised like that but that does not mean you are free to headcanon something to such absurd levels. "Parallel lines" have absolutely nothing to do with heirarchy of worlds encompassing each other on a metaphorical ladder.
There is no general rule saying "All cosmology statements must follow and revolve around the ladder analogy". The ladder statements themselves are just a very very tiny and throwaway portion of the lengthy story that is Umineko.
It's far more reaching to conclude absurd unreasonable interpretations that have absolutely nothing to do with the localised context of the story at that point and have 0 implications to be like that.
Both are equally canon. VN is the original source and Ryukishi worked on Manga to reveal some answers and recognizes it as "offical answer".
