Ultra Series Revision Part 1

[WanderingGecko]

Inner Light​

As it stands, the Inner Light blog currently featured on the Ultra Series page is not only outdated but also suffers from a chaotic format (no offense intended to the original creator).

In light of this, I’ve taken the initiative to craft a fresh and polished Inner Light page that will truly reflect its significance and make it official!

Greeza's Conceptual Existence​

Greeza's existence has long been a topic of discussion, but today, I invite you to explore his intriguing status as a conceptual void—an entity that embodies the very absence of existence itself.

This blog thoroughly explores that notion in detail.

Diavolo's Multiversal Feat​

This entry is brief and straightforward, focusing solely on the number of universes that Diavolo obliterated.

Here’s the blog that delves into this remarkable feat.

Calculations​

This shouldn't be here, but since there's a lack of CGM actually coming and evaluating the calcs I've put, It'd be best that I address them here.

Speed

1. Shinya Mizorogi Deflects a Bullet (Hypersonic+)
2. Ultraman Blazar Goes to Nevada (Massively Hypersonic)
3. Ultraman Arc Goes to Space (Massively Hypersonic)
4. Ginga Flies to The Moon (Sub-Relativistic)
5. X and Greeza Ravage Through The Solar System (FTL+)
6. Ultraman Gaia & Agul Fly Back to Earth (MFTL)
7. Ace Flies to The Orion Constellation (MFTL+)
8. Ultraman Arc Flies to Another Galaxy (MFTL+)

Attack Potency

1. Arc's Exa Slash (Large Town level)
2. Woola's Galactic Rage (Multi-Solar System level)
3. Luganoger's Planetary Destruction (Brown Dwarf level+)
4. The Minimal Energy Needed to Blow Up The Land of Light (Solar System level)

Agree (Super Cool): @EddisherSound @Mr.Cutlery @Peter1129 @HswLOTSS @GrayCraft_Dragon @DarkDragonMedeus (Neutral on Abstract Existence and Calculations) @Sir_Ovens (Agrees, and emphasizes Greeza being Type 2)
Disagree (Boo Not Cool)
Neutral (Pacifist):

 

[EddisherSound]

Good work as usual, agree

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

It's a good next step. And I mean, I was always just a stopgap, so good work on the polishing.

 

[WanderingGecko]

It's a good next step. And I mean, I was always just a stopgap, so good work on the polishing.

You definitely played a large part in this, without you I wouldn’t have found the scans lel.

I’ll assume that you agree since we’ve practically discussed everything here on the Toku Discord yes?

 

[HswLOTSS]

Looks fine.

 

[GrayCraft_Dragon]

Definitely agree!

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Going to remain neutral until Calc Group evaluations.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Going to remain neutral until Calc Group evaluations.

What about the non-calculation parts?

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

Please don’t let this be abandoned again

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

What about the non-calculation parts?

The 2-C feat looks alright, Inner Light page update looks alright, Neutral about Abstract Existence (It's a topic I don't consider myself best judgement for)

 

[WanderingGecko]

The 2-C feat looks alright, Inner Light page update looks alright, Neutral about Abstract Existence (It's a topic I don't consider myself best judgement for)

Alright then thanks for the evaluation

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Greeza should have abstract existence type 1 since he is the concept of nonexistence.

Everything should be fine.

Edit: Actually the statement was "embodying the concept of nothingness", which would be type 2 abstract existence, not type 1.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Edit: Actually the statement was "embodying the concept of nothingness", which would be type 2 abstract existence, not type 1.

That’s just clarifying Greeza’s AE Type 1, he is the abstract void itself, he lacks a true form and clarified further in the scans.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

That’s just clarifying Greeza’s AE Type 1, he is the abstract void itself, he lacks a true form and clarified further in the scans.

Yes but he's a void not  because he's abstract. There's a crucial difference. All the scans in the blog just say he's nonexistent and lacks any physical form. That's perfectly fine but to be abstract type 1 you need a statement that says he's the concept of nonexistence, not just the embodiment of it. More compelling evidence for type 1 would be nonexistence as a concept being destroyed if Greeza himself was destroyed.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Yes but he's a void not  because he's abstract. There's a crucial difference. All the scans in the blog just say he's nonexistent and lacks any physical form. That's perfectly fine but to be abstract type 1 you need a statement that says he's the concept of nonexistence, not just the embodiment of it. More compelling evidence for type 1 would be nonexistence as a concept being destroyed if Greeza himself was destroyed.

He is abstract in nature; he is beyond human comprehension, and the only reason we are able to see his form is that he forces our minds to perceive him. The only reason he is called an embodiment is that he has a pseudophysical form he conjured up due to our inability to perceive him.

Spoiler: Scan 1

"Emptiness monster Gleeza (second form).This is the form that Greeza takes in order to operate on earth. Greeza is essentially ‘nothing’ and therefore does not strictly exist, but our brains have forced us to visualise it and this form is what we see. They are more like natural phenomena than living beings, but because they have a clear intention, they are categorised as ‘monsters’, although they transcend our common sense."

He's the hole in space itself, the actual void he's said to "embody". His insides is the void too.

Spoiler: Scan 2

Another thing to note is that LordGriffin agreed to Greeza's Type 1 Abstract Existence (though it was 3 years ago).

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yeah no, these are all scans for nonexistent physiology. Being imperceptible is still nonexistent physiology. The issue here is that there's no evidence that Greeza personifies an abstract concept as the concept itself. He's an avatar for nonexistence, sure. But he is NOT nonexistence (as a concept) itself.

I had a whole discussion about this with the Ultraman supporters in the Toku Discord. You can ask them about what I told them cause I don't wanna repeat the whole thing.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Yeah no, these are all scans for nonexistent physiology. Being imperceptible is still nonexistent physiology. The issue here is that there's no evidence that Greeza personifies an abstract concept as the concept itself. He's an avatar for nonexistence, sure. But he is NOT nonexistence (as a concept) itself.

I literally gave you a scan that says he's the void itself and not just an embodiment/avatar of it. But aight

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I literally gave you a scan that says he's the void itself and not just an embodiment/avatar of it. But aight

"Greeza is a hole in space. Void itself." Without supporting contextual feats/statements, this just means he's a void. Again, that's textbook nonexistent physiology. The other statements literally say that he "embodies the concept of nothingness", not that he is the concept of nothingness itself.

I explained it like this on the Discord: Say the concept wasn't nonexistence, and was instead bananas. We replace all mentions of the concept of nonexistence with the concept of bananas; so Greeza is the embodiment of the concept of bananas. Him being nonexistent would just be a state of being, separate from whatever his embodiment is. You can still apply the statement that Greeza is the void itself in this instance and it would still be true because being a void =/= being the abstract concept of a void.

So all these statements about Greeza being a literal void are mutually exclusive from the statements about him being a conceptual embodiment; of which based on the statements alone give type 2, not type 1.

 

[WanderingGecko]

"Greeza is a hole in space. Void itself." Without supporting contextual feats/statements, this just means he's a void. Again, that's textbook nonexistent physiology. The other statements literally say that he "embodies the concept of nothingness", not that he is the concept of nothingness itself.

Already in the blog. Already explained the meaning of that in the discord.

I explained it like this on the Discord: Say the concept wasn't nonexistence, and was instead bananas. We replace all mentions of the concept of nonexistence with the concept of bananas; so Greeza is the embodiment of the concept of bananas. Him being nonexistent would just be a state of being, separate from whatever his embodiment is. You can still apply the statement that Greeza is the void itself in this instance and it would still be true because being a void =/= being the abstract concept of a void.

Greeza’s not avatar of “bananas”, he’s the “bananas” itself. Him being nonexistent is due to him being the concept of “bananas”. Doesn’t make any sense as in every other media it’s always the concept their talking about and not just some random void.

So all these statements about Greeza being a literal void are mutually exclusive from the statements about him being a conceptual embodiment; of which based on the statements alone give type 2, not type 1.

Not exclusive as it’s the main feat of him being the void and others are just supporting feats. Ok.

 

[Agnaa]

Looking at stuff in the blog.

1. Premise: That's ordinary NEP.
2. Invulnerability: That's ordinary NEP.
3. Conceptual Existence
   • A chair embodies the concept of chair-ness. You can create a nonexistent thing that embodies the concept of nothingness without it being the literal concept of nothingness itself coming to life.
   • I wouldn't translate this as "you are the embodiment of the 『void』", using clunkier wording than I ordinarily would to better get at the original meaning, it's more like "you're the existence they call nothing". And either way, this wouldn't lead to anything conceptual.
   • I can't see how that would lead to anything other than ordinary NEP.
4. Conceptual Abilities: Okay yeah, this fella can make this NEP being exist.
5. Ultraman Z and Geed
   • The subtitles say "he's trapped the monster between void and reality", since this was done by fusing with it, and given how Geed was a real thing and Greeza was a nonexistent thing, I think "trapped in the space between reality and the nothingness itself" is a complete misreading. It seems more like "this existent thing and nonexistent thing combined, making it unable to do anything", this would only be a usable ability against other nonexistent beings.
   • Destroying by slashing, if those are the actual characters involved and there's no extra context being glossed over, seems fine.

So yeah, ordinary Type 1 NEP, a character can make NEP beings exist, another character can fuse with NEP beings to temporarily immobilize them, and another character can slash NEP beings to death.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Will reply to that later.

What about the other parts? My revision isn’t mainly about Greeza afterall.

 

[Agnaa]

I'm not interested in evaluating the other stuff.