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So the third part of the Miscellaneous Revision is finally here. Let's get to it
Tiering Changes
Just a few stuff I missed
U-Killersaurus
So I kinda forgot about this but normal U-Killersaurus actually only fought the Ultra Brothers at the end of the Showa Era not the Heisei Era. So Base U-Killersaurus should be downgraded to 4-B due to fighting 4 Showa Era Ultra Brothers.
Ultraman Zero
After taking a look at the scaling as well as the Geed SCW again I believe Heisei Zero should probably lose his Low 2-C tier. We originally assumed he was Low 2-C due to being comparable to New Generation Belial since the SCW said they had a fierce fight during the climax of the Omega Armageddon. But after looking at it again it actually never said Belial and Zero had a fierce fight. Instead it only said after a fierce battle, Zero and Belial were in conflict. So the fierce battle was actually talking about the battle Zero had before facing Belial. So from the looks of it the actual battle probably went just like it did in the opening of Ultraman Geed, Belial simply one shot Ultimate Zero after Zero reached him. There wasn’t any fierce offscreen fight between them beforehand.
Not to mention scaling wise, Full Power Ultimate Zero at the time of Ultraman Geed would only be around 240,000x baseline 3-A. But based on our current scaling Pre-Training Tri-Strium Taiga who fought Imit-Belial who is stated to be about equal to Full Power Belial is actually 2,666,667 times baseline 3-A. Literally over ten times stronger than Ultimate Zero of the previous era whom we currently consider to be about on par with Full Power Belial who is where baseline Low 2-C start at. So it honestly makes no sense for Ultimate Zero to be Low 2-C. So yeah I propose a downgrade for Full Power Zero in the New Generation Era (After Crisis). Only his Reiwa Era self and the other Reiwa Era Ultras that scale should be Low 2-C. Prior to the Reiwa Era, nobody outside of Full Power Belial and the god tiers should be tier 2.
Also Zero's higher with Luna-Miracle should be removed as Luna-Miracle was actually only mentioned to increase his speed but not strength.
Ability Additions
Ultra Physiology Abilities
Limited Time Manipulation and Matter Manipulation via turning targets into Spark Dolls should be replaced with Transmutation.
TLDR/Summary
Base U-Killersaurus is downgraded from at least 4-A, likely 3-B to 4-B.
Heisei Zero gets his likely Low 2-C removed. And Zero in general gets the higher with Luna-Miracle removed.
And a bunch of ability additions.
Tiering Changes
Just a few stuff I missed
U-Killersaurus
So I kinda forgot about this but normal U-Killersaurus actually only fought the Ultra Brothers at the end of the Showa Era not the Heisei Era. So Base U-Killersaurus should be downgraded to 4-B due to fighting 4 Showa Era Ultra Brothers.
Ultraman Zero
After taking a look at the scaling as well as the Geed SCW again I believe Heisei Zero should probably lose his Low 2-C tier. We originally assumed he was Low 2-C due to being comparable to New Generation Belial since the SCW said they had a fierce fight during the climax of the Omega Armageddon. But after looking at it again it actually never said Belial and Zero had a fierce fight. Instead it only said after a fierce battle, Zero and Belial were in conflict. So the fierce battle was actually talking about the battle Zero had before facing Belial. So from the looks of it the actual battle probably went just like it did in the opening of Ultraman Geed, Belial simply one shot Ultimate Zero after Zero reached him. There wasn’t any fierce offscreen fight between them beforehand.
Not to mention scaling wise, Full Power Ultimate Zero at the time of Ultraman Geed would only be around 240,000x baseline 3-A. But based on our current scaling Pre-Training Tri-Strium Taiga who fought Imit-Belial who is stated to be about equal to Full Power Belial is actually 2,666,667 times baseline 3-A. Literally over ten times stronger than Ultimate Zero of the previous era whom we currently consider to be about on par with Full Power Belial who is where baseline Low 2-C start at. So it honestly makes no sense for Ultimate Zero to be Low 2-C. So yeah I propose a downgrade for Full Power Zero in the New Generation Era (After Crisis). Only his Reiwa Era self and the other Reiwa Era Ultras that scale should be Low 2-C. Prior to the Reiwa Era, nobody outside of Full Power Belial and the god tiers should be tier 2.
Also Zero's higher with Luna-Miracle should be removed as Luna-Miracle was actually only mentioned to increase his speed but not strength.
Ability Additions
Ultra Physiology Abilities
- Sealing: Numerous Ultras have shown the ability to use sealing. The Ultra Brothers sealed U-Killersaurus. A bunch of other Ultras also sealed the Demon King Beasts. The New Generation Ultras also sealed Grimdo.
- Empathic Manipulation: Planet Tenebris' atmosphere is filled with highly concentrated Minus energy which can trigger negative emotions such as hatred and despair. Zero, the New Generation Ultras, Taro and etc. can all resist the effects of the planet.
- Acid Manipulation and Corrosion Inducement: Ultras have shown the ability to resist acid, corrosion and digestive enzymes. Some of these can instantly melt humans down to their bones.
- Causality Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, limited Existence Erasure, and likely Time Stop: By using Shining Star Drive, Zero could alter certain events in his favor. It was also said that under his trance that he runs the risk of potentially erasing certain people from existence by "making those that could have been born to not be born, what could have been would not happen; as if time itself had stopped". After the first use, Zero accidentally undid Belial's death.
- Regeneration (Low-Mid): Healed a wound that penetrated his chest and through his body, hitting his heart and lungs as Zero Beyond.
- Teleportation: Using his supernatural abilities to teleport, (Zero) toys with his enemies.
- Existence Erasure and Deconstruction: Unaffected by Planet Cheney's anomalous nature, which as a planet that does not exist in any universe could erase abnormalities that steps foot on it. The erasure is also described as being a breakdown.
- Empathic Manipulation: Survived the weaponized hatred that fills the Tector Gear Hatred. Broke free of Galberos' illusion which was reflecting his doubts and anxieties back to him. Planet Tenebris' atmosphere is filled with highly concentrated Minus energy which can trigger negative emotions such as hatred and despair.
- Statistics Reduction: Broke out of Tector Gear Hatred, which limits his strength.
- Illusion Creation: Broke himself out of Galberos' illusion dimension.
- Absorption: Could resist the effects of Ultra Dark-Killer's Dark-Killer Zone and would've lasted longer had he not been sharing his energy with Grigio.
- Fear Manipulation: Overcame forceful triggering of his memories of when he was forced to kill his comrades, which had caused him PTSD.
- Reality Warping, Gravity Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, and Time Manipulation: Survived being inside of Bullton's 4-dimensional pocket space, which had the effect of warping natural phenomena. Was also forced to swim through the literal sands of time in order for him to regain and control his Shining form, during which he was assailed by clusters of sand that had taken the form of a boulder.
- Biological Manipulation: By using his Atros Hell Claws, Belial could destroy the target's cells.
- Quantum Manipulation: Same reason he has space-time manipulation. Universes are also distinguished from the fact that each has differing quantum structures, so at his level of power, Belial would logically have to be able to effect the universe on such scale as well.
- Life Manipulation: As Arch Belial, his hits were forcing Zero's light to leave his body.
- Weather Manipulation: Changed the weather by simply appearing.
- Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, and Quantum Manipulation: Survived being at the epicenter of the Super-Dimension Eradication Bomb.
- Quantum Manipulation: Restored the entirety of Side Space universe.
- Life Manipulation: Gave Leo energy that healed him from the brink of death.
- Clairvoyance, Resurrection, Void Manipulation, and Immortality Negation via Reality Warping and Subjective Reality: The true ability of the Xlugger is the ability to turn the users' thoughts into reality (Chinese Translation) (Original raw here). Daichi wanted to coexist with monsters so against Dark Thunder Energy amped monsters it merely removes the energy. Against Gua it removed their immortality which allowed them to be permanently killed. It allowed Daichi to see his parents in the past due to his wish of wanting to see them again. Asuna wanted Daichi to come back so the Xlugger brought him back in digital space. On its first usage Daichi wanted to stop Greeza so the Xlugger briefly destroyed Greeza and gave it a half material half nonexistent body that finally allowed it to be hit by normal attacks. On second usage he wanted to free Gomora and allow monsters to live on Earth so it forced Greeza to spit out the monsters and aliens it absorbed. On third usage it permanently gave Greeza a physical body and killed it.
- Fate Manipulation and Probability Manipulation: Originally, Greeza was supposed to annihilate all life on Earth 15 years from now. However, the Xlugger changed the outcome of that future and turned it into one where Greeza was defeated.
- Nonexistent Interaction: Director Taguchi confirmed that the Xlugger is also a form of the Space Needle the only thing that could be used to hurt Greeza when it is still nonexistent.
- Statistics Reduction and Deconstruction: Dark Thunder Energy caused X's power to decrease, but he is no longer affected by it after gaining Exceed form.
- Limited Regeneration Negation (Low-Godly): With Emerium Slugger's consecutive attacks, Reibatos' regeneration is blocked/sealed off.
- Paralysis Inducement: SCW states that Sperion Attack Ray turns enemies rigid before pulverizing them. Can also use Catch Rings which binds enemies.
- Ice Manipulation: As Hurricane Slash, Orb can fire a fluid that freezes enemies using the technique Hurricane Frost.
- Quantum Manipulation and Deconstruction: Resisted the quantum reconstruction when he went to unfuse Psychi from Queen Bezelb.
- Damage Boost: Zetton’s Zetton Final Beam absorbs its enemies attack and reflects it back with its own power added on top of it.
- Incorporeality should only be part of his first key as later appearances haven’t shown Incorporeality.
- Inorganic Physiology (Type 2?): Vacuumon does not possess a fixed shape and instead is more like that of a dark nebula.
- Regeneration (High): Regenerated after being struck by Max's Maximum Cannon which turns its targets into photons.
- Reactive Power Level: Gets stronger the more it is attacked.
- Deconstruction: Copied Max's Maximum Cannon which turns its target into photons.
- Telekinesis: Can telekinetically control the Max Blades that it copied.
- Immunity to Empathic Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, and Pain Manipulation: Chojus have no sense of pain or fear.
- Empathic Manipulation and Fear Manipulation: Dark Lugiel was able to absorb Minus Energy in masses with no ill effects.
- Immortality (Type 4, 5, and 8): Greeza can resurrect itself via regeneration from nothing after a short period of time. Greeza doesn't exist at all. Greeza cannot be killed as it is the void itself. Even in series they could only return it back to nothing rather than kill it.
- Abstract Existence (Type [Don't know what type Greeza qualifies for so I'll let you guys decide]): Greeza is a hole in space the void itself. It cannot be affected by any conventional means and it can regenerate from nothing even if its destroyed by reality warping from inside itself. It could only be returned to nothingness by using the space needle something that exists within Greeza, the void itself. The inside of Greeza is literally an empty void.
- Invulnerability: Cannot be harmed by conventional attacks as Greeza doesn't actually exist.
- Passive Law Manipulation: Greeza's existence itself disrupt the laws of the universe. It can only exist once Bullton who bears the irrationalities of the universe has been killed.
- Self-Sustenance (Type 1, 2, and 3): Greeza is shown to fly through space without the need of oxygen and can act without any food or rest as it is a literal void.
- Statistics Reduction and Deconstruction: Greeza's Dark Thunder Energy can weaken and break down other beings.
- Reactive Power Level and Reactive Evolution: Zaragas was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zaragas can get stronger the more its attacked and it can also evolve and learn new abilities after being hit by attacks.
- Invisibility: Neronga was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Neronga can turn invisible.
- Radiation Manipulation: Alien Zarab was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zarab can generate a lethal radiation gas of 400 roentgen on a citywide scale.
- Size Manipulation: Alien Zarab was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zarab can change his own size.
- Shapeshifting: Alien Zarab was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zarab can change his own form.
- Mind Manipulation: Alien Zarab was among the spark dolls Greeza absorbed. Zarab can control the mind of others.
- Ultra Physiology: In Ultraman Z, Greeza almost fully absorbed and fused with Galaxy Rising Geed.
- Subjective Reality: Greeza almost fully absorbed Geed. Geed was able to trap Greeza in between void and reality by fusing with it.
- Information Manipulation and Information Analysis: Greeza's form is merely the mind's attempt to perceive a total lack of information.
- Extrasensory Perception: Greeza could not be sensed even by equipments that can detect space-time energy until it appeared right in front of them.
- Absorption: Greeza resisted Five King's absorption and counter absorbed it.
Limited Time Manipulation and Matter Manipulation via turning targets into Spark Dolls should be replaced with Transmutation.
TLDR/Summary
Base U-Killersaurus is downgraded from at least 4-A, likely 3-B to 4-B.
Heisei Zero gets his likely Low 2-C removed. And Zero in general gets the higher with Luna-Miracle removed.
And a bunch of ability additions.
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