Type 9 Immortality for the creation trio and Arceus

[DaFritzi]

9: Transcendental Immortality: Characters whose true selves exist independently from the plane where they can be killed. For example, a conceptual being doesn't die even if its body, soul, etc will be erased from existence.

Dialga, Palkia and Giratina are basically immortal reliant on their respective concept. Same with Arceus on the OS. But they essentially are their concepts/OS. Thus type 8 is out of question because you can't be reliant on yourself.

Type 9 on the other side fit's them perfectly. Input appreciated.

 

[Reppuzan]

I don't know about this to be honest, it's best we get extra input before we make any hasty decisions.

 

[SomebodyData]

I'm pretty sure you can be reliant on your own conceptual existence and still be type 8.

 

[DontTalk]

They are not reliant on their own concept as discussed before.

If Dialga dies time is destroyed, yes, but it is not as if you have to destroy time to kill dialga.

In other words there is no scenario in which Dialga would regenerate, because time still exists.

 

[SomebodyData]

^Really? That's interesting.

 

[DaFritzi]

I have to do research on the trio, what DT said might be true.

Anyway, it's a different story for Arceus, as we have already discussed in a previous thread.

 

[DontTalk]

Arceus has an intangible part to him, but being multiversal + non-corporeal doesn't imply Type 9.

Type 9 is that you have a manifestation on a higher plane than the one you act on that needs to be destroyed to kill you.

Arceus has a non-corporeal multiversal form and its manifestation acts on multiversal scale.

So his true self exists on the same plane on which he can be killed and hence it isn't type 9.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

someone should inform Cal or Dragon about this.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Professor nah, if what DT said is true then this thread is done

However before that, I need to ask, are we really accepting [this] as a source for Arceus's resistance negation? Because even ignoring the fact that it may just simply be game mechanics, it seems rather sketchy to use it to justify such an ability (Ignoring the fact that we don't know if it would even effect other 2-B beings as well of course)

 

[Reppuzan]

@SomebodyData

I was seriously skeptical of that too, since it comes from a game with mechanics more similar to Candy Crush than mainstream Pokemon games.

 

[LordAizenSama]

@SD wow. That is.. something. Not sure how that was accepted

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

"Deals normal damage even to types resistant to its type."

If that's not straightforward, then I don't know what is. Game Mechanics would be limiting it to types. Not if it would work or not.

 

[SomebodyData]

Not saying it isn't straightforward, just realllllllly skeptical of using a spin-off game that acts completely different to everything else as a valuable source. It would be like treating Yugioh Duel Links as canon, or Super Mario Run for Super Mario Bros.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I've said it so many times that it actually pisses me off to continue repeating it. Pokémon profiles are composite.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Cal howard

But composite profiles have to be within reason. Considering the fact that Pokemon Trozei was built on the idea that you're an operative stealing back stolen Poke Balls, this would imply that Arceus was caught. Which is kind of ridiculous to say the least.

 

[Hazerddex]

@Cal howard
But composite profiles have to be within reason. Considering the fact that Pokemon Trozei was built on the idea that you're an operative stealing back stolen Poke Balls, this would imply that Arceus was caught. Which is kind of ridiculous to say the least.

pokemon lore and games have a lot of contridictions in them i don't even know whats gameplay and fact in that series.

but ya i do have to agree with the pokeball thing and Arceus even if its composite we still should considered why he can get caught at all. maybe because he choises too? no but then why would he chose to lose?

 

[SomebodyData]

@Cal Unless Arceus really needs a composite profile (Like most other pokemon do), then it serves no point in having a composite. Basically we don't make composites for the heck of it, most come from necessity or notable variations that would not be able to get a page without it.

@Repp Or it could just be that in this canon, Arceus is significantly weaker, either way, rather absurd.

 

[LordAizenSama]

I thought legendaries weren't composite.. hence why deoxys has multiple keys and such..

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Legendaries are the only ones that are composite currently. The reason stuff like Shadow Mewtwo and PMD forms are different is because of the vastly different power variable.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

tbh the only canons I personally believe we should use for composites are Anime, Manga, Main Games, Mystery Dungeon, Pokken, Conquest and maybe Ranger.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Wouldn't composite mean we include everything (not game mechanics)?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Professor

Again, within reaso. We shouldn't add anything from a pachinko game or anything like that.

 

[SomebodyData]

See the problem here is that your standard profile shouldn't be composite, the exception of profiles with multiple popular but minor variations of the source character (Like most Pokemon), but in the case of Arceus and many pokemon this is not true. It would be like me converting the main Goku page into a composite.