TVD World Project

[Arkenis]

I plan on making a crt some time next year for TVD, mainly it's magic and supernatural beings to establish a detailed representation for the verse rather than the poor state it's in. It will help better analyzing magic and the ap for the characters as well, but that will be much further in the future.

Here is a sandbox for what I have right now TVD redo

I also am working on Klaus & Elijah's intel sections' and their social influence. Also, surprised it's never been talked about, but I'm making a page for Dahlia also.

Can help/add if you like

 

[Kaydee1648]

This is nice
Here’s my personal thoughts on minor things

• Vampires should inherently have resistance to Power nullification since the magic that keeps them alive remains active within a no magic zone. And by extension, the travelers should have Power nullification (1-layer) due to being able to null the magic dormant in vampires.
• Vampires should also be given Telepathy, Memory manipulation, Dream manipulation, and Paralysis Inducement by virtue of mind compulsion
• Some witches like bonnie should be given IM2
• Also i feel the part about Vampires having resurrection due to not being able to heal or survive damages above their regeneration span (Mid-low) is kinda iffy
• Advanced witches like the Gemini coven, Bonnie, Cade and Quetsiyah should have Reality manipulation, Creation, Spacial manipulation and Portal creation/Teleportation
• Vampire hunters like Rayna Cruz and Bonnie should get Law manipulation, Curse manipulation, and Clairvoyance via marking a vampire. Also, they should get Power bestowal via a spell transfer, and resistance to power absorption since the hex they place on their victims can’t be absorbed by siphoners

there are probably more, just can’t remember them atm

 

[FentyBeauty]

could vampires get some kind of limited power null/absorption with telepathy

i remember this one scene from legacies s4 ep 11 when aurora de martel knocked out this witch cleo n she got inside her subconscious that was unguarded bc she made everyone drink a truth serum

then aurora was talking abt how cleo’s subconscious/inner sanctum has essential parts of herself like will, emotions, power, and inspiration n when aurora broke the thing holding cleo’s inspirations she stole the inspiration power from her n then it caused cleo to lose her connection to magic

 

[Testarossa002]

I don't know if that's something ALL vampires should get
Aurora, Tristan and Lucien have better control on the Non-Physical aspects of vampirism compared to younger vampires seeing as they can’t be compelled by Originals
Originals and their variations (Marcel, Alaric, Hope etc) can scale though
Also
Vampires should get divided further into Regular | Advanced
Regular are well, regular vampires

Some more abilities for them include:

• Superhuman Physical Characteristics
• Immortality (Types 1 and 3 - Vampires can live eternally and can easily heal from most lethal injuries such as having their neck broken)
• Illusion Creation
• Telepathy (Can get inside the minds of individuals and look for information through physical contact<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hope_Mikaelson#cite_note-37"><span>[</span>37<span>]</span></a>)
• Dream Manipulation (A vampire can both produce and modify dreams, create nightmares and lucid dreaming, as well as distort an individual's perception of reality effectively trapping someone in their dream<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hope_Mikaelson#cite_note-38"><span>[</span>38<span>]</span></a>)
• Resurrection (Vampires cannot be permanently killed without beheading, ripping out their hearts or stabbing them in the heart with wood. They'll simply resurrect back if any of the above isn't done)
• Accelerated Development (Passive - Vampires grow stronger with age.)

Resistance

• Mind Manipulation (Vampires have been shown to have resistance to other vampire's compulsion and require them to be severely weakened in order for them to be manipulated)
• Empathic Manipulation (A vampire can shut off their own emotions effectively becoming an being without humanity, though a very powerful emotional shock can turn them back on)
• Petrification (Vampires can resist Medusa's petrification)

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Advanced are Originals and those made to be on that level via magic like Alaric, Lucien and Marcel

All previous abilities to a greater degree including:

• Regeneration (Mid-High - Comparable to Elijah who regenerated from burning himself to ash)
• Mind Compulsion (1 Layer - Can compel regular vampires who are ordinarily resistant to compulsion)

Werewolves

• Regeneration (Mid-Low, up to High-Low with Transformation - Werewolves can heal broken bones in hours and also heal all their bones after breaking them during transformation)

For witches
Everything under Hope's Witch Aspect except death manipulation, H2H combat and healing can be added for them

 

[FentyBeauty]

could witches also get resurrectiom with those protection spells bc i remember bonnie reviving herself after she died from using spirit magic in season 2 ep 18 & she also used one to bring back jeremy too

celeste dubois revived herself with a protection spell after davina killed her n the other witches with her n she said that all those witches couldve dome the same too & then after that she used the same thing on davina again

 

[Kaydee1648]

could witches also get resurrectiom with those protection spells bc i remember bonnie reviving herself after she died from using spirit magic in season 2 ep 18 & she also used one to bring back jeremy too

Bonnie used the ancestral one time amp to bring Jeremy back from dead, and bonnie used expression to spring herself back to life, although she hadn’t really “passed” to the other side atm

celeste dubois revived herself with a protection spell after davina killed her n the other witches with her n she said that all those witches couldve dome the same too & then after that she used the same thing on davina again

didn’t Celeste later die? and iirc the spell was with preparation so maybe?
as for davina that’s her naturally reviving after the harvest ritual, no?

Yeah resurrection works but it’ll be limited or with preparation

 

[FentyBeauty]

didn’t Celeste later die?

yess she did but that was later on when elijah had monique trap celeste’s soul in her own body n she got killed by elijah so she wouldn’t be able to body jump to a different witch

as for davina that’s her naturally reviving after the harvest ritual, no?

no it was like way before they brought davina back to finish the harvest ritual

in that episode i think klaus compelled her friend tim to make davina drink poison n she died from it & thats when marcel went to celeste so she could do the same protection spell on davina

Yeah resurrection works but it’ll be limited or with preparation

maybe both limited n prep could work? like the spell celeste used on herself was a “one-time deal” n marcel threatened to kill her if she didn’t do that spell for davina so like these protection spells prolly only work once

n after bonnie revived herself after using a lot of spirit magic they said that bonnie planned with damon abt putting a protection spell on herself to trick klaus before they fought

 

[Kaydee1648]

maybe both limited n prep could work? like the spell celeste used on herself was a “one-time deal” n marcel threatened to kill her if she didn’t do that spell for davina so like these protection spells prolly only work once

yeah i agree with this.

 

[Arkenis]

Vampires should get divided further into Regular | Advanced
Regular are well, regular vampires

I think Young and Old are better.

Advanced are Originals and those made to be on that level via magic like Alaric, Lucien and Marcel

Those will probably get their own reworks on page and they aren't specific vampires, unless you mean to say they are just to like the originals in pna.

could witches also get resurrectiom with those protection spells bc i remember bonnie reviving herself after she died from using spirit magic in season 2 ep 18 & she also used one to bring back jeremy too

celeste dubois revived herself with a protection spell after davina killed her n the other witches with her n she said that all those witches couldve dome the same too & then after that she used the same thing on davina again

Bonnie used the ancestral one time amp to bring Jeremy back from dead, and bonnie used expression to spring herself back to life, although she hadn’t really “passed” to the other side atm

I probably won't put res for witches unless I get some confirmation at least 10 have done it or its said to be a spell they regularly do. If anything Older witches will get that.

This is nice
Here’s my personal thoughts on minor things

• Vampires should inherently have resistance to Power nullification since the magic that keeps them alive remains active within a no magic zone. And by extension, the travelers should have Power nullification (1-layer) due to being able to null the magic dormant in vampires.
• Vampires should also be given Telepathy, Memory manipulation, Dream manipulation, and Paralysis Inducement by virtue of mind compulsion
• Some witches like bonnie should be given IM2
• Also i feel the part about Vampires having resurrection due to not being able to heal or survive damages above their regeneration span (Mid-low) is kinda iffy
• Advanced witches like the Gemini coven, Bonnie, Cade and Quetsiyah should have Reality manipulation, Creation, Spacial manipulation and Portal creation/Teleportation
• Vampire hunters like Rayna Cruz and Bonnie should get Law manipulation, Curse manipulation, and Clairvoyance via marking a vampire. Also, they should get Power bestowal via a spell transfer, and resistance to power absorption since the hex they place on their victims can’t be absorbed by siphoners

there are probably more, just can’t remember them atm

Could you find me the episodes for these?

Also guys I am watching from the Originals, so I'll try getting everything from there before I move onto specific TVD statements, so if you do give me something, please put the episode for just put it on sandbox and I'll clean up errors.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Could you find me the episodes for these?

I don’t know the exact numbers but vampires survive being in a no-magic zone all the time, e.g Hayley being within a magic null spell to keep Dahlia away.

As for the one layer thingy it’s in TVD season 5; When the travelers put up a spell around mystic falls border (towards the ending)

 

[Kaydee1648]

More minor ish haxes to add
Vampires

• Stealth Mastery (All vampires are proficient in sneaking up or performing an act without being notice [S1 ep1], even against other vampires with heightened senses[s1 ep2])
• Self sustenance (Type 1 & 2; All vampires can survive being submerged under water, which is evident by Stefan Salavator surving being submerged in water for 3 months [s5 ep3] and Tristan de martel being implied to survive for centuries underwater[TO s3 ep9])
• Immortality type 7 (Vampires are undead, hence they can’t die by conventional means[)
• Body weaponry (fangs)
• Power bestowal (can turn a human to a vampire by feeding them blood, then killing them[TVD s1 ep6])
• Healing (Their blood can heal all injuries and sickness with the exception of cancer[TVD s6 ep 11])

Gilbert Ring

• Limited Immortality type 8 (As long as a human wields the gilbert ring, they will continue to come back to life if killed by a supernatural being[tvd s1ep15])
• Multiple selves (The gilbert ring creates a darker forged version of who wields it[tvd s3 ep 20])

Esther Mikealson

• Immortality type 6 (She can jump between bodies like a parasite[TO s3ep3])

 

[Arkenis]

More minor ish haxes to add
Vampires

• Stealth Mastery (All vampires are proficient in sneaking up or performing an act without being noticed)
• Self sustainance (Type 1; All vampires can survive being submerged under water, which is evident by Stefan Salavator and Tristan de martel being alive after being in deep water for a period of time)
• Immortality type 7 (Vampires are undead, hence they can’t die by conventional means)
• Body weaponry (fangs)
• Power bestowal (can turn a human to a vampire by feeding them blood, then killing them)
• Healing (Their blood can heal all injuries and sickness with the exception of cancer)

Gilbert Ring

• Limited Immortality type 8 (As long as a human wields the gilbert ring, they will continue to come back to life if killed by a supernatural being)
• Multiple selves (The gilbert ring creates a darker forged version of who wields it)

Esther Mikealson

• Immortality type 6 (She can jump between bodies like a parasite)

examples?

 

[Kaydee1648]

examples?

for which?
I provided examples for the ones that needed

Also, I find it odd that vampires do not have resistance to their mind based attacks. By that i mean these;

• Mind Compulsion(Can control an individual into doing their bidding after making eye contact)
  • Empathy Manipulation (Can compel an individual into ignoring or turning off their emotions by "compulsion")
  • Illusion Creation
  • Telepathy (Can get inside the minds of individuals and look for information through physical contact)
  • Dream Manipulation (A vampire can both produce and modify dreams, create nightmares and lucid dreaming, as well as distort an individual's perception of reality effectively trapping someone in their dream<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Caroline_Forbes?so=search#cite_note-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>)

It’s evident that vampires can’t get into the head of another vampire, unless they severely weaken said vampire with vervain. I.e stefan starving and feeding damon with vervain and was able to project himself into damon’s mind (season 2 TVD)

 

[Arkenis]

for which?
I provided examples for the ones that needed

Also, I find it odd that vampires do not have resistance to their mind based attacks. By that i mean these;

It’s evident that vampires can’t get into the head of another vampire, unless they severely weaken said vampire with vervain. I.e stefan starving and feeding damon with vervain and was able to project himself into damon’s mind (season 2 TVD)

The episodes and time it happens

 

[Kaydee1648]

The episodes and time it happens

ive edited my post

 

[FentyBeauty]

guys hear me out bc like advanced witches should have curse manipulation

• elder witches like bastianna & agnes can cast hexes on ppl n make them go insane TO s1e5, s1e19
• celeste dubois made that crescent curse that can like make werewolves stay trapped in their forms TO s1e15
• dahlia used celeste’s spell to curse hayley’s pack in TO s2e21
• davina used a candle powered by the ancestors bc shes a regent and to keep hayley’s crescent curse from turning om TO s3e2
• inadu cursed her tribe into becomimg werewolves TO s4e8
• esther made the hybrid curse so klaus wouldnt unlock his werewolf side idk TO s1e1
• freya was gonna do the same to hope TO s5e5
• the ancestors cursed kol to go insane in TO s3e19

 

[Kaydee1648]

Yeah this is self evident
Should hex be considered death manipulation?

 

[Arkenis]

If it happens instantly ig? Otherwise curse manip should fit more

 

[Kaydee1648]

guys hear me out bc like advanced witches should have curse manipulation

• elder witches like bastianna & agnes can cast hexes on ppl n make them go insane TO s1e5, s1e19
• celeste dubois made that crescent curse that can like make werewolves stay trapped in their forms TO s1e15
• dahlia used celeste’s spell to curse hayley’s pack in TO s2e21
• davina used a candle powered by the ancestors bc shes a regent and to keep hayley’s crescent curse from turning om TO s3e2
• inadu cursed her tribe into becomimg werewolves TO s4e8
• esther made the hybrid curse so klaus wouldnt unlock his werewolf side idk TO s1e1
• freya was gonna do the same to hope TO s5e5
• the ancestors cursed kol to go insane in TO s3e19

Finn cursed Kol to die in Kaleb’s body (s2 ep13)

Looking back at it now i kinda hated Finn in my goat’s body

 

[FentyBeauty]

Looking back at it now i kinda hated Finn in my goat’s body

literallyy same

lowk made vincent lose his aura but at least he got it back later tho!

 

[Arkenis]

Also, I find it odd that vampires do not have resistance to their mind based attacks. By that i mean these;

It’s evident that vampires can’t get into the head of another vampire, unless they severely weaken said vampire with vervain. I.e stefan starving and feeding damon with vervain and was able to project himself into damon’s mind (season 2 TVD)

I'd agree for some of these, but we see Witches use illusions on Vampires multiple times. I'd have to rewatch the show to see how consistent it is if witches should have layered illusions or if this is solely just compulsion resistance.

 

[Arkenis]

• davina used a candle powered by the ancestors bc shes a regent and to keep hayley’s crescent curse from turning om TO s3e2

What's om?

 

[FentyBeauty]

What's om?

oops srry i meant to say turning on as in like her curse was gonna activate

 

[Arkenis]

Oh alright. I've added some of the stuff you guys said. I'll probably start going more in depth when I watch TVD in December.

 

[Kaydee1648]

I'd agree for some of these, but we see Witches use illusions on Vampires multiple times. I'd have to rewatch the show to see how consistent it is if witches should have layered illusions or if this is solely just compulsion resistance.

Nah, there’s no direct usage of mental manipulation from witches. Mostly just mental bfr of the sort, and dahlia entering klaus mind at his vulnerable state.
The only person to ever memory wipe an original was Davina in her harvest key, and even rebecca was shocked on that being possible at all. So if at anything, it’s an upscale for Davina rather than an antifeat.

 

[Arkenis]

Nah, there’s no direct usage of mental manipulation from witches. Mostly just mental bfr of the sort, and dahlia entering klaus mind at his vulnerable state.
The only person to ever memory wipe an original was Davina in her harvest key, and even rebecca was shocked on that being possible at all. So if at anything, it’s an upscale for Davina rather than an antifeat.

What illusions are you talking about for vampires?

 

[Arkenis]

bump. I am rewatching TVD now, haven't finished TO but I should get majority of stuff from TVD anyway. This is gonna be a big ass page lol