Trinity Seven Revision : Acausality Negation for our Demon Lords and Last Crest

[Rendynoc0unter]

INTRODUCTION.
We will be upgrading some abilities in the verse Trinity Seven.

• Acausality Negation Type 4 for Demon Lord.
• Acausality Negation Type 4 for Last Crest.
• Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 for Last Crest.

INFORMATION.
As is well known, the Law Manipulation of the Demon Lord and the Limited Law Manipulation of the Last Crest have been accepted into this CRT.

And also Magus has obtained Acausality Type 4 in this CRT.

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Therefore, I will here upgrade Acausality Negation Type 4 for those who are scales.

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Acausality Negation Type 4 for Demon Lord :
Yes, here the Abyss Trinity's Law Manipulation is shown affecting Arata Kasuga, therefore the Law Manipulation here can already be said to be a Acausality Negation Type 4.

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Conceptual Manipulation Type 2, Acausality Negation Type 4 for Last Crest :
Here it is shown by Aries, that Last Crest himself can affect Liese another universe that already has a Acausality Type 4 rating from Magus Physiology.
Even there it is also said that Last Crest can create concepts that exist in the world.

Proven again by Liese, that her Last Crest can affect Magus like Lilith and other Trinity Seven, even here Liese's Last Crest can affect other Magus.

Yui's Last Crest can affect Arbariccia, which because of that Yui becomes non-existent, which makes Arbariccia unable to do anything against Yui.

This is enough to prove that Last Crest is Acausality Negation Type 4.

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Agree : @Reiner (CM 2), @Abstractly_a_Protagonist (CM2), @LeylinFarlier01 (CM2), @AKUTO123, @DarkDragonMedeus (CM2), @Rakih_Elyan (CM2), @LordGriffin1000 (CM2)
Disagree : @Everything12 (Aca Negation), @Reiner (Aca Negation), @Abstractly_a_Protagonist (Aca Negation), @LeylinFarlier01 (Aca Negation), @Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl (Aca Negation), @DarkDragonMedeus (Aca Negation)
Neutral : @Tempestdragon6

 

[Everything12]

Disagree, this is just potency. We don't give Negation out for these sort of things unless their is strong proof that they remove these innate traits from others.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Disagree, this is just potency. We don't give Negation out for these sort of things unless their is strong proof that they remove these innate traits from others.

How come?, it is clear that Last Crest is a Law Manipulation, and Last Crest can affect magus that have an Acausality Type 4 rating. The same goes for Law Manipulation Demon Lords.

 

[Everything12]

How come?, it is clear that Last Crest is a Law Manipulation, and Last Crest can affect magus that have an Acausality Type 4 rating. The same goes for Law Manipulation Demon Lords.

Because removing such an innate trait as being outside ordinary causality is a big thing, and feats of simply affecting them with causality and not feats of explicitly removing their acausal status do not count as Acausality Negation.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Because removing such an innate trait as being outside ordinary causality is a big thing, and feats of simply affecting them with causality and not feats of explicitly removing their acausal status do not count as Acausality Negation.

don't understand what you mean here, can you explain again in simple terms?

 

[Reiner04]

Yes, here the Abyss Trinity's Law Manipulation is shown affecting Arata Kasuga, therefore the Law Manipulation here can already be said to be a Acausality Negation Type 4.

The scan states that abyss Trinity can erase all of archives of the world which are the cores of all thema and magic themselves, last crest or whatever won't have anything to do against it, so despite there is a mistake in justifying proposal, I agree for the reasons I stated.

Acausality Negation Type 4 for Last Crest.

Disagree, for the reason everything 12 stated above.

Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 for Last Crest.

Seems fine.

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Neutral for now

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Same as Reiner and Everything's opinion.
Disagree on Acausality negation.

But I can see CM 2 as fine.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Acausality negation is an ability to negate acausality not just affecting them.

 

[AKUTO123]

I agree

 

[LeylinFarlier01]

this is just a misunderstanding about negation, as explained above that affected does not mean to negate

 

[Tsavorae]

That is not really Negation it is just Law Manip which can affect Acausal type 4 user.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Aaah, I understand, btw how about CM Type 2?

 

[LeylinFarlier01]

Aaah, I understand, btw how about CM Type 2?

I think this already qualifies as a type 2 concept, Because it is clearly said to have created the concept of the world, So I think there is no problem for a change

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I think this already qualifies as a type 2 concept, Because it is clearly said to have created the concept of the world, So I think there is no problem for a change

Thanks.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Yes, I just realized that this crt is unfinished.

Alright, as we already know that Aca negation has been rejected here, so what do you think about CM2?

@Rakih_Elyan @Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl @Tempestdragon6

 

[Fixxed]

Why just affecting aca 4 being is aca 4 negation?

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I forgot the reason because this is my old crt.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, Everything12 makes sense; it's not so much Acausality type 4, but rather a level of Causality Manipulation that requires Type 5 to have an immunity.

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

Yeah, Everything12 makes sense; it's not so much Acausality type 4, but rather a level of Causality Manipulation that requires Type 5 to have an immunity.

how about cm2?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I suppose it is fine

 

[Rendynoc0unter]

I suppose it is fine

Thanks!

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

CM 2
Is
GOod

 

[LordGriffin1000]

CM Type 2 is fine.