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Tracer vs Ruby

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No, Tracer is not better at close range than Ruby, not even close. Tracer isnt a close range fighter the way Ruby is, she keeps opponents off balance with her tactic of moving, stopping to shoot briefly, and moving again, which isnt even a foolproof fighting style as her fight with Doomfist has shown, and that was just against a stationary fighter, let alone someone who has better mobility with better applications and better ammunition which can severely screw Tracer over if she's hit.

No it doesnt, semblances have never shown to exhaust people and exhaustion doesnt in any way drain aura. Sun was exhausted because he made more clones than he could handle, yet he was able to make one less in the past and fight just fine. And yes she has, the fight against the Beringel and the Petra Gigas proves that.

No, she kicked it into the airship. She also oneshot a Nevermore with a kick. When did i ever argue that she phased THROUGH someone? She's never phased through anything, only dispersed around attacks.

Once again she does not and has never phased through anyone and i never said she did. Pulse Bomb sticking to her would be just as effective as it sticking to Moira or Reaper, she uses her semblance to turn intangible and it falls off while she gets away undamaged.
 
Semblance is just like muscles if a character use more than they can handle, more period of time or both it's start to drain aura.

Like, we say Ruby's speed mach 200 with her semblance and she can use continuously for 5 minutes. If she try to go higher speed, she go mach 200 for more than 5 minutes or both, her aura start to drain.

This most logical explanation imo.
 
No it doesnt, it is never stated to do that ever, if it did Qrow would be exhausted all the time and wouldnt have any aura ever as his semblance is passive and always working wether he wants it to or not.

Literally the only time anyone has ever shown to be exhausted ever after using their semblance is Sun when he purposely overexerted himself by making more clones than he ever demonstrated the ability to create before in order to restrain Illia.

Hell during the fight with both the Beringel and the Petra Gigas Ruby spammed her Semblance constantly and was neither winded nor drained of aura aside from the damage she sustained during the fights. Same with Yang vs Mercury during the Vytal Festival, Mercury got her aura down to 16 (The minimum you can have in the Vytal Festival before being removed from the fight is 15) ang Yang activated her semblance, then proceeded to beat the shit out of mercyry and her aura didnt drop below 16.
 
1) Qrow's semblance not passive but randomly activating itself. Qrow can amp his semblance with the using his aura like other semblances.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/7x3w4s/crwby_ama_w_miles_luna_kerry_shawcross_and_paula/

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2) We don't know his semblance default state. I mean do we know how many people/event it effecting in deafult state?

Like, if you start gym who exhaust yourself in a short time but with time and constant traning this time extend.
 
@Kep Yeah, theyre open, sorry, had to close them because people were getting impatient and making sloppy edits
 
As a Tracer Main, I can handily say I solo RWBY with my ult and a graviton surge ; )

In all seriousness, this is a very good match.

I will have to come back to it, but at face value, I lean to Tracer via teleportation, her natural kiting skills (see doomfist cinematic), combat experience and Recall.

Ruby has more versatility, better dura and I think better AP.

Then again, overwatch scaling is a complete circle, so the last 2 are up to debate
 
@Min That doesnt change that since his semblance is always active, he should always be exhausted and drained of aura regardless, but he's not, because semblances dont directly affect aura or stamina

Again, watch the fight between Ruby and the Berringel and RNJR vs the Petra Gigas, Ruby spams her semblance in both and even takes a lot of hits and isnt winded at the end of either fight
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Min That doesnt change that since his semblance is always active, he should always be exhausted and drained of aura regardless, but he's not, because semblances dont directly affect aura or stamina
Again, watch the fight between Ruby and the Berringel and RNJR vs the Petra Gigas, Ruby spams her semblance in both and even takes a lot of hits and isnt winded at the end of either fight
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Semblances affect stamina if theyre pushed, like with Sun, and exhaustion does make the characters weaker, like in the Beacon Falling fights. Youre saying that theyre always at full aura, even in exhaustion?

Ruby spams that against Grimm, shes never used it that much on an actual person. And Ruby is nowhere near as observant or smart as doomfist, we cant say she coukd accurately time and locate Tracers weakness.

My other reply litetally refreshed and im tired
 
No they dont, Sun explicitly pushed his semblance beyond what he ever displayed before, to the point where he needed to sit still and concentrate hard in order for it to work instead of fighting alongside his clones like he always does. And no, what im saying is exhaustion and being aura dont directly correlate with each other.

We have barely seen Post Timeskip Ruby fight against an actual person at all, literally there were only two fights against people in volumes 4 and 5 combined and one was a horrible stomp against her while the other happened almost entirely offscreen. The only fights we can go off of to get a reading on how she fights is her fights against grimm. And actually thats incorrect, when it comes to weapons and equipment Ruby is in fact hyperobservant, she literally analyzed Cardin's mace down to the functionality of its different components and determined the material it was made of just by looking at it once, which let her determine how he fought and thus gave her an easy win against him 1v1. Tracer's Chronal Accelerator literally glows whenever she uses it, it wont take Ruby long to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that her abilities stem from it.
 
Yeah, but you could tell he was struggling to maintain the semblance, which he then briefly showed he was exhausted out. Illia used electricity, which does bypass aura better than everything else, but she physically stabbed him, which with aura, that wouldnt be the case. Its obvious that aura wouldnt be at full peak, the characters still need to mentally have enough power to maintain it. You cant tell me aura would be at peak after someone is breathing heavily.

Yeah, but its still Grimm, shes still fought in V4 and v5, and with human opponents, she barely ever uses her semblance unless shes trying to run away. Its basic character, and those grimm are nowhere near as agile as Tracer. Ruby wouldnt spam her petal burst, she never does that unless its against something that she definitely HAS TO AVOID, like large, higher AP Grimm.

Ruby would honestly think its a semblance like hers rather than what it is, and therefore would try and break aura, though Tracer doesnt have that. And theres no way Rubys intellect matches Doomfist combat wise, theres been so many dumb moments fro, Ruby, and though she is appare tly some weapons genius, Cardin isnt ANYONE in RWBY who could be hard to predict or beat. Unless you're Jaune. Also when was this, I never remembered Cardin fighting Ruby, or her talking about his mace. If this was something in like manga, where Cardin is more potent. Then thats not canon. Doomfist literally timed someome who can control her own time while casually taking all her bullets, and Tracer is barely similar to Cardin
 
Yes, because he overexerted it, but aura does not and has never been stated or demonstrated to drain aura.

Again, no. Tyrian speedblitzed her gorribly and we dont SEE her fight with Mercury and Emerald so you cant say she didnt when we never see to confirm it. And no, she has used her semblance to run away multiple times, off the top of my head she used it to get out of being restrained by Roman and to escape a punch from Yang in a sparrimg match. Post Timeskip Ruby does spam her semblance.

It happened here, and no, the manga is "canon until its not", the writers of RWBY themselves said that.

And again, one shot from an elemental bullet and Tracer is in serious trouble. Aura is basically what Armor is in Overwatch only it takes longer to take down. Also doesnt help that the Chronal Accelerator canonically needs to charge if she spams her blink too much, while also visibly blinking and audibly beeping, which would be a dead giveaway for Ruby.
 
You mean semblance? Im not saying semblance, im saying EXHAUSTION, even though when pushed, it has been shown to allow the aura to dwindle. Then again, Ruby isnt going to be pushing herself much, shes barely going to be using anything complex.

We cant say that she does either, she never uses it to the degree she did on the Beringel,, and though we can blame that on the fact V5 sucked like hell, govong no screentime, Ruby has never showm to spam her semblance like she did in the Beringel fight, at best, she would only be bursting just like when Tracer blinks. Im telling you, Ruby wouldnt use her semblance in as many ways as she does against Grimm, and its not like Tracer couldnt just tp out of it. I mean, its not like she fights like in her Red trailer is it with anyone else in the show other than a person. She only uses the petal burst when efectively caught by an attack.

Manga wasnt written by creators, manga has a separate continuity, I mean, Mercury dancing with Ruby, come on, and the fact that only one timeline can be canon at a time. The same events happening in two media dont fit. And again, that 'when its not' also tells us that the manga will doubtfully follow correctly. Its adaptation, not canon, the show is the main media. And even so, its Cardin? No one impressive, and the fact Ruby would instantly think its just a semblance, not thinking to target the chronal accelerator.

How is n elemental bullet going to give serious trouble, they have the same durability? And tracer tanks bullets in the games all the time. When has she ever been hit by a bullet canonically either, if she can dodge Widowmakers rapid fire, then Rubys occasionally a shot a second sniper rifle wont be anything hard to dodge. Also Rewind. Ruby prefers fighting close range when she can with that swinging scythe, which wont tag someone like Tracer, who can easily keep her distance. And actually, its possible to catch someone off guard with blink, like how Tracer snuck up on Widowmaker, Blink also teleports more instantly than Petal burst, so Ruby will be pressured and caught off guard a lot more easily than Tracer.

Now, yeah, its true she has to charge, that would probably be Rubys way to win, and Tracer can be careless of her limit, but honestly with those rapidfire bullets chipping away at her aura consitently, the stronger experience, the fact that Tracer is willing to disarm Ruby, which makes her a sitting duck too (we can safely say Tracer is the better hand to hand combatant aswell), and Rubys basic character and shit writing not allowing her to show off any of her stuff when shes meant to be the protagonist, only in trailers dedicated to her, id say Tracer wins in the most scenarios, with fair difficulty
 
Yes, what did you think i was talking about?

Yes she does, she used her Semblance against the Beringel a 5 times in a span of 2 minutes, and another 4 times against a bunch of Beowolves. Hell she explicitly LEAD with it in both fights. I can get you the number of tmes she used it against the Geist as well because iirc she used her semblance just as many times. And yes, that's what she'd be doing, using its mobility and speed amping to keep Tracer off balance, what did you think i meant?

Um...what? Both Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross, the lead writers for RWBY, had a hand in writing the manga's story, and they themselves have stated that the details are considered canon until they are contradicted by the show.

The same way that Mei's Ice and Sombra's EMP make it so Tracer cant use her Chronal Accelerator's abilities for a short time: Freezing her solid or temporarily shorting it out. Keeping her distance wont help Tracer at all considering she needs to be at least somewhat close to the opponent for her guns to do anything. And while Blink is more akin to teleportation, Ruby's Semblance grants better control, mobility, and a more consistent boost in speed.

You say that like Ruby is just going to be standing there letting Tracer hit her over and over again without ever trying to dodge, which absolutely wont be the case as ive explained above. Tracer will be hard pressed to ever land more than a few bullets on Ruby giver the latter's mobility, intangibility, and speed amp with her semblance (You never actually explained how Tracer is going to get around a speed amp that allows Ruby to blitz someone as fast as herself, and by extension of Sped Equalization, Tracer). Ruby's fighting style is essentially Tracer's but with better melee combat and more versatile ammunition. Even if she does manage to disarm Ruby she's not helpless as she still has her semblance to fight with, being disarmed wouldnt in any way make her a sitting duck. It also doesnt help that its completely in character for Tracer to toy with and taunt her opponent's mid-combat, unlike Ruby who is actually a serious fighter.
 
Oh ffs, my reply refreshed yet again, ill try and condense

Again though, she only does that much exclusively to Grimm, she doesnt tend to do it against human targets as much as she does against monsters. She'll only really uses it for escape, and in this fight, to keep up with Tracer, but she never uses it too much in her advantage against someone who actually has a mind and fair fighting tactics. I personally believe Ruby should start using it more, and to make Ruby actually less of a side character, but for now, as all the fights show, she wont abuse it.

Monty made the story those two are screwing up, and despite what theyve stated, the manga and the show take place in separate continuities, canon can only have one it follows. And the fact theyll disregard anything that contradicts itself just shows they arent confident in its canon status. They didnt make the scenes for thr manga either, it was all made and written off of Montys vision. And while I dont believe Ruby couldnt easily read like that, this is Cardin, no one impressive. Plus, Ruby has watched jaune fight him, she should easily already know. That doesnt mean she could time Tracer like Doomfist could, and she would obviously associate her time powers with a semblance, and therefore disregard the accelerator.

The freezing effect is game mechanics, Mei wouldnt be viable if she didnt have some sort of silencing, ice doesnt usually stop subconcious powers. Plus, unlike Mei or Weiss, Ruby cant freeze Tracer in a giant block of ice. And Sombras EMP is meant to knock out devices, normal electricity attacks dont necessarily disable out tech, and Ruby hasnt shown at all to be able to do that. Plus, Sombras Emp disables shit like Soldier and Mcree rolling, it isnt really ahything to go off, and its not like Tracer gets disabled by a Winston shooting electricity. And again, Tracer bullet times easily, Widowmaker couldnt land a hit with her rapid fire, how do you think a slower, shot per second rifle is going to hit her with anything.

Okay, well, she probably will be standing around there, given her usual scythe swinging to block attacks rather than dodging, and her petal burst doesnt really make her intangible either, she can still be hit like she did with Mercury, and she actively has to split herself in order to dodge attacks, otherwise she would just run through. Dont know where people are getting intangibility from. Tracers bullets are a lot faster than Ruby's and more constant with unlimited ammo, Theyre less damaging aswell honestly, Ruby might just get a bit lazy and let a few slide because they arent hurting her, but theyre still amazing at chipping her through, and with actual instant tp, Tracer can easily escape Rubys sight better than Ruby can with hers, and immediately react with multiple shots. She'll definitely get caught off guard with how unpredictable Tracer is.

You never asked...but Tracer speed amps to TP too, shes easily faster when she blinks compared to Ruby manually moving, so its not like its an advantage. Shes even able to control her own time apparently and how fast she moves, so its not like shes going to be completely outclassed. Ruby does not fight like Tracer, Ruby uses close range and swings her scythe more than she uses her semblance, especially against a human. Shes only similar in the fact they both tp around, and ruby is too selective and less spamming than Tracer of that ability. Tracer is the one who circles and blinks, shes Way less predictable, and with her faster tp and the fact she easily reacts to bullets, Ruby's slower ones wont hit her, so versatility is out of the window.

She wouldn't use her semblance to give her the upper hand in close range, she'll run away, or just let herself get smacked around like with Torchwick, and Tracer can easily keep up with her speed more than Yang and Roman You seem to think Ruby and Tracer are similar in spamming their tps, but they really arent, Ruby, in character, does not think to abuse it, either bad writing, or theres a consequence. It should also be noted Ruby was trying to lead and distract the gigas with her semblance to the spot where they fought, cause she knew she wasnt harming it at all. But if Tracer disarms Ruby, then its over for her honestly.

She can be serious, shes just playful honestly, and I wouodnt call Ruby serious in the slightest. Perhaps not as taunting as Tracer, but her 'seriousness' has never given her the upper hand, other than that dumb moment in V5. Guys like Mercury who taunt, or Neo, would easily stomp Ruby. Its never dampened or led Tracer to demise before either.

And still, the Rewind and the Pulse Bomb allow Tracer to easily have the upper hand in Stamina, as well as get rid of any built up damage Ruby gives her, even if shes been able to land hits on Tracer, and the pulse bomb will literally stick to Ruby, and once it does, she couldnt take it off, it would even burst into petals along with her, and you cant say she'll be able to shrug that off. Tracer can even throw it accurately enough to give it a curve, ajd Ruby is NOT the better shot than Widowmaker to reflect it back while its in midair.
 
Just a small thing Jinx

Pulse Bomb is like..room level

Her pistols actually deal more damage

It 'sticks' tho, so good luck getting it off.

Also, her rewind was only shown once in gameplay and cinematics, doubt she can spam it. (Wish she could though).

Tracer is by far faster with blink, recall does give her one get out jail free card and probably has the upper hand in combat experience.

She is still subsceptible to ice dust, 'meis freezing is pretty quick in the cinematic' and tracer can be frozen solid, unable to use her abilities, her massive shining chrono accelerator if damaged can just bfr herself etc.

I still lean to Tracer, but this is a close match.
 
Pulse Bomb wouldnt be any weaker than her pulse rounds that can hurt High 8-C characters, so not really, and as her ultimate ability, and in game damage show, they can easily destroy tank characters, who are known for their high durability. We usually take powerscaling over her calcs.

She spams blink, but Rewind is handy enough eith recharge, I never said sge could spam it, but on the off chance Ruby does deal large damage, then It reverses all th7at effort easily. She wouldnt use it unless she was badly hurt or it was near over.

Dont know what I said, but Rubys ice dust cant really freeze Tracer like Mei or Weiss does, she cant really immobilise her with a shot, if it could land. Her ice shots would not disable her whole arsenal though, thats the game mechanics part. Unless its really shown canonically, we cant assume it can, since Mei can just disable things by freezing that make 0 sense. Same with simple electricity attacks
 
She cant use Rewind if her Chronal Accelerator needs to recharge. And yes, Ruby CAN freeze her solid, Grimm Eclipse demonstrates that she can.
 
Look, I know Grimm Eclipse's EVENTS were stated to be canon, but we shouldnt really be saying that they can do all of this without it being in the main canon show. Otherwise youre saying Jaune could heal and buff allies, WITHOUT his semblance. The fancy moves and whatnot can be considered, but we cant really say its an accurate scale. No offense, but you really stretch things the have been stated to be canon, even when its not the main focus, like the game mechanics and freezing effect., whats the point of adding an ice attribute that doesnt freeze a NPC. Id imagine her ice effects being something similar to that of Neons, where it only produces a small block

And again, Tracer wasnt hit once by a bullet against something Way more rapid than her sniper rifle. Ruby wouldnt land a bullet
 
Again, we never SEE her fights against human opponents on a level playing field post timeskip. It doesnt matter if all we've seen her actually fight are Grimm, like it or not we have nothing else to go off of for her post timeskip, so that's what we have to use to determine how she fights. Gong by all of her actual fights so far, she absolutely abuses her semblance .

Actually yes she can freeze her solid, Grimm Eclipse shows that she can.

Ruby has never once demonstrated to just stand around blocking attacks. Not once. She has always been mobile, even before the timeskip. And yes, her petal burst makes her intangible, merc hitting her is from before the timeskip before she mastered her semblance. Ruby has more than enough ammo to not ever worry about running out in a fight. Ruby's unpredictability is far superior to Tracers.

Teleportation is not a speed amp. Tracer's Blink is not a speed amp. Its just that, short range teleportation. And no, once again, post timeskip Ruby smaps her semblance and takes pot shots just like tracer does, only Ruby's Semblance is superior to Tracer's Blink due to the added bouses of intangibility, flight, and not having a threat of needing to recharge mid-combat.

Again, youre using pre-timeskip examples, stuff that is no longer an issue. She wont be letting herself get hit, she has never done that with anyone. Tracer has no speed amp and even if she did she's not keeping up with someone who can blitz her like Ruby's speed can. Your opinion on the writing holds no weight in what is displayed in fights. Ruby spams her semblance in a fight. End of story.

No, Ruby has never shown to play around in a fight, she has ALWAYS been serious in actual combat.

Rewind cant be spammed and dont restore Tracer's stamina, nor does it undo ALL damage that Ruby does to her. Pulse Bomb cant be spammed either. Ruby's semblance will unstick the bomb the same way Reaper and Moira can by becoming intangible.

Long story short, Ruby still has a better chance at winning here.
 
Not really, she hasnt much changed in fighting style since the timeskip honestly, only gotten stronger and learnt a few new abilities. She hasnt changed in fighting style at all though. In fact, she only abuses her semblance when A), faced with a physically stronger opponent like the Beringel, or B) To distract and lead on an opponent, which wouldnt be the case unless this was a big raid boss, which it isnt. Ruby wasnt meaning to damage the Gigas, since she wasnt.

Again, see argument above, its a freezing mechanic, and its only the events that are canon, an ability like that, that was only to give Ruby a mechanic, and has never been shown on the show before, cant really be assumed to be the case. Or can we use Hero of the storm features for Tracer lel.

Tell that to Emerald shooting her bullets in V5, while Ruby laggily swings her scythe. It was never stated to be mastered, at all, only shown to improve, and I dont see how not mastering it would suddenly turn something intangible. She even had to activealy SPLIT herself in order to dodge something in the trailer, again, she wouldnt need to if she could just phase through it. It really is not intangibility. And no, Tracer is way more unpredictable, she needs to get times0d in order to be caught, Ruby is barely anthing hard to tag by almost everyone in the series. Especially when her petal burst can be followed in way more succession than Blink.

Tracer accelerates herself forward in time, she moves so fast it appears as a teleportation, we see her trail actively. Its only short burst, just like petal burst, but its still speed amp. Ruby couldnt react to her blink as potently as Tracer could to Ruby, as well as it being more instantaneous than Ruby's at the expense of length and abilities, but thats not going to be a problem when Tracer can just tp behind it all. The Blink and Petal burst are superior to eachother in different rights, the fact that Tracers is more instantaneous, while the Petal Burst is more versatile. Idk about you, but its usually the fastest tp that wins. And she can jump as high in the air just like Ruby can as shown in the cinematic, so its not much of the advantage, only that Ruby can stay in the air longer.

Ruby hasnt at all changed in her fighting style, the timeskip has only made her stronger and more tricky. Her character from V1-3 still stays in tact. She isnt a completely different fighter, she'll only abuse it for two reasons that ive stated above. Against an actual human target, shes never shown other than to run away and do this big finish ONCE, to spam it, especially to be on par with Tracer. Rubys speed wouldnt blitz her, mostly everyone has been able to keep a tag on it easily. It leaves a much obvious trail and it hasnt ever been unpredictable. Literaly, Tracer is out of sight in just a blink.

Too bad serious has never EVER given her a major uphand, nor has it given Tracer a downhand. It isnt a relevant factor.

Never said it could be spammed, but it will still easily reverse any strong damage Ruby has given to her, with decent recharge time too. Tracer is an opponent who wont get hit easily. It does replenish stamina, and ALL of the damage Ruby does to her within like, a 15 second time rate AT LEAST. She uses it only if shes been brutally hurt, so one of Rubys stronger moves, that would take significant power to put off, instantly becomes redundant. Never said it couldnt aswell, but it will still do a lot of irreversible damage, especially being close range. And no actually, Ruby can turn whatever is touching her into rose petals as she bursts, like her clothes, her scythe, and even humans, without showing whether she can make exceptions on command, especially when it may be stuck to her back unnoticingly. Chances are, it would burst off, and Rubys 'intangibility' is NO WAY comparable to Reapers.

Both take it with high difficulty, but Tracer still has the better tp FOR THIS SITUATION, the rewind toreverse any longlasting damage, the close range sticky bomb, and the easy chipping and unpredictability to beat the less experienced, wont-use-her-semblance-in-a-complex-way, and quite stupid (writing wise) Ruby
 
I still agree with Jinx, but I dont personally like the argument that "yes canon, but they wouldnt do all of this."

We should consider counting that point in the argument, no matter how strong or weak it is.

A better argument would be imo "yes she can freeze her, but her blink can jump her back out of freezing range."

As a rationalist, I believe a strong argument is when you can have multiple points and you can work with countering as much as possible.

If you want full blown analysis of someone who loves both characters, stay tuned.

Long range combat

Ruby easily. Ruby's rounds are good for hundreds of feet and have no damage drop off. Ruby does not like to use long range combat, but she has been shown to be capable of doing it with some grimm (I forgot the name of it, but start of season four.)

Medium Range Combat

Still Ruby. Even at this point at ten or so feet, Ruby has the range advantage and is probably what she is best at (besides close range, but I will get to why tracer stomps close range). Ruby has the better range with her scythe and is probably more more lethal if she does get a hit in. Tracer is really fragile, both in game and out of it and is not accustomed to taking hits. She also not used to using rewind, I have only seen it at best twice in canon, once in her fight with widowmaker and I think she used it once in a comic (and dont even quote me on that). Using the cinematic, the pulse bomb does even it out since she can throw it for ten or so feet. She is stuck and blown up, if it does scale, then it is game over. (which to be honest, I guess so. I want to give this to jinx on the sole grounds that it would be ridiculous to assume that it is weaker then her normal weaponry)


Short Range Combat

Tracer. Tracer is very good at kiting around opponents like Doomfist, Widowmaker, Reaper etc. She is the best kiter/flanker in overwatch and to be frank, if it ever gets to this pont, I dont see Ruby winning. Her blinks is relatively instant. Now, it isnt unfallible. She is somewhat predictable, taunting her opponent so much so Doomfist still predicted her combat patter. I still want to give this to tracer, she is so over confidant that it is in character for her to just taunt her opponent for a bit, but at the same time, Ruby isn't the greatest at predicing combat patterns.

If it was Weiss or even Blake, I would lean to them because Intelligence and Experience, which ruby has neither of these things to their level. Tracer was a soldier for a few years at best, her primary training as a pilot is not indictive of her as a soldier.


Freezing

Yeah, we shouldnt make the false equviliancy to say that she can freeze to weiss levels, but she doesnt need too. Not saying Tracer's kryptonite is freezing, but she can be flashfrozen and killed easily. Immobilizing her.

Now in character would she do it? Maybe, not immediately. But considering Tracer's personality, if Ruby has any semblance (pun not intended) of being tactical, then she will figure it out.

She did figure out something was wrong during Cinder's infiltration mission and she also felt someone was wrong with the nucleave grimm (can't spell his name but whatever), so I want to say it is possible. Don't want to just dismiss it entirely.


Other:

Ruby's intangibility iirc (either Jinx or Weekly can correct me on this), only works for a second/few seconds at best. It isn't always on and it is part of her semblance. It still gives her the defensive advantage against's tracers small AP advantage (I think they are both baseline, but tracer is a tad higher).

Tracer is smarter via book smarts, but Ruby is probably more tactical just by a hair. I am using the doomfist example against her, and Ruby's creative nature with her semblance in the Red Trailer, end fights in both volume 1 and 2 etc.

Tracer has probably the more combat oriented experience with other people with a greater variety of abilities, but Ruby has more fights under her belt.

Tracer's blink is literally her entire style. The two best counters to disable it, is to freeze or keep distance from her. Ruby's scythe does give her that ability, I personally think eventually Tracer will eventually figure it out and just rush in, pulse bomb, one clip her and get out.

Speed is equal, but Ruby has the speed advantage via semblance.


Alright, to sum it fairly as someone who loves both:


Ruby's path to victory

In character, no stretch: Just spam her natural distance. Even at a few feet, Tracers rounds drop off badly. You need to be about 7 feet of distance to do max damage, which considering Tracer has to get past that scythe of the exact same distance, it will be hard to do. Even if she has blink, Ruby's scythe motions are usually either to rush an opponent or spamming her general range/360 degrees of motion. She may have the lower ap, but the intangibility difference and her speed does give her a path to victory. In the first few minutes, Ruby can spam her natural range, freeze her possibly and win. Or just keep her distance, fight with her scythe in swinging motions and just force tracer back. She can't blink towards a weapon strike.


Tracers path to victory:

In character, no stretch: Tracer is cocky, but she isnt stupidly so. Long term, she will probably find a weakness in Ruby's fighting style. I say this considering that she is naturally good at taunting her opponents to exploit weaknesses... See the Winston and Tracer vs Widow and Reaper. This turned out to be in her favor. Also, if it wasnt for venom mine in the end of widowmakers cinematic, Tracer could have won considering she had her running away because blitzing Widowmaker is easy. If she gets one pulse and one clip on her, she gets it. Aura can't protect from higher ap in most circumstances, and one pulse bomb and one falter is really all she needs. Instablink to her comfortable range, clip her and kite her.


Tracer takes this with high diff. Although I write this, biased as a tracer mai
Tracer main
. Like, She literally has thrice the number of wins then most of my other heroes.
 
Jesus how long did you take to write that

But its the fact that Weekly is exaggerating abilities that they just havent shown to be doing in the show, like how Jaune can apparently shout and boost everyones damage and HP, outside of his semblance which was revealed afterwards. And again, the ice attribute is a given gameplay mechanic, Ruby herself uses ice dust, but its nothing like Weiss' potency where it can immediately freeze someone in an ice block, nor has Ruby shown to jump to it at all within the show, even if it would be most useful. Tracers blink is subconciously actuvated aswell, freezing in ice doesnt stop someones mind from activating a power that isnt related to moving their body, she could blink out of it, its just that Mei without silencing wouldnt be viable and would therefore just be a gameplay mechanic.

Its also really not intangibility, there was nothing saying Ruby mastered it to the point she can become intangible during it, especially when shes being hit by Mercury, and she had to actively split her rose trails up in order to dodge an attck rather than just phase through it.

Tracee never taunted Doomfist either. Whether theyre being serious isnt much of a factor here, even though Tracer can be serious, just playful
 
From this point on, Jinx vs Weekly is just a circle jerk lol.

Both make good points, both made bad points.

I think it is a close match blah blah.

Go for whoever you think wins in my analysis.

Edit: I wrote that in about 20 minutes or so.

Exaggerating? Maybe. But I also dont think we should just dismiss it.

I already went over the gameplay thing, i think even if you gave it to her, she still wins, she just blinks back, albeit getting out of her range.

Uhh, I am not sure if that is accurate... I dont think it is game mechanics, at best we haven't seen it in a cinematic to prove otherwise.

If it does = screwed, but she can blink back.

Doesnt = Irrelevant point on both sides.

Even if it does, addressed it.

Tracer didn't taunt doomfist, but she was over confidant with him. That is why she lost her chrono accelerator. She could have finished him off, but she didnt.

Tracer can, be she is also very overconfidant.

I think most overwatch players will concede that point. All the cinematics, unless it involves protecting someone, she will often taunt them with one liners.

She was somewhat serious with doomfist, still lost. Even if she was serious, that probably is a point against her and gives her a loss on a record. If she wasnt, which I am inclined to believe, it just means she slipped up.

Tracer's blink is subconciously activated, sure..
 
@Jinx Its not at all an exaggeration, thats how its hown to work. Ruby's ice rounds are shown to be able to freeze people solid just like Blake's. The writers of RWBY spoiled Jaune's semblance by putting him in the game with the abilities he has.

Ruby's semblance is elemental intangibility, she disperses into rose petals like a one piece character. Ruby being hit by mercury is, again, a pre-timeskip feat from before she mastered her semblance.
 
Theyve only shown to do that in a game, where only the plot was what was canon, and the movesets were improvised and made up in order to make movesets. Im fine with techniques being considered, but with things like the ice dust, that was only made to give Rubys character gameplay, she hasnt even shown to be able to freeze someone like Weiss, as well as ice attributes being frankly useless if they dont freeze opponents. Not to mention Rubys bullets not at all going to be hitting. So it doesnt even matter

Again, where does it ever say she mastered her semblance to the point she can now turn intangible? And again, why would she actively need to split herself in order to dodge that thrown grimm. Theres clearly tangible parts in the centre of the the burst, and nothing else has shown shes intangible when shes using it. Heck, when has she actually shown to be tangible with it, only faster, and less compact. Shes harder to hit, but not downright intangible, when in V4 and V5 has she been able to completely not be damaged from a hit without just splitting up, cause splitting the body isnt intangibility.
 
Tracer: 6 (Me, Kink, Whitewolf, Unite, Omah, COB)

Ruby: 3 (Kiryu, Weekly, Veloxt)

Inconclusive:0

Pleasesay if ive missed any, but seems Tracer is currently winning
 
And thats a 7-3 win for Tracer,

Grace period starts now, unless anyone has any objections, but this can be added afterward
 
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