Touhou Striking Strength Revision

[Andykhang]

Okay, back-up a little bit. I'm getting confused. You said quit thinking that the normal human would be 6-C, now you're assume they could be that?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I'm saying, quit thinking EVERY humans must be limited to 6-C.

Yes most humans should be around that since Cirno is shit and humans can deal with shit, but saying Marisa is limited to 6-C because of this is wrong.

You assume that Marisa is technically a "normal human" so she must be limited to 6-C, and I'm telling you that it's possible for Touhou humans to be stronger.

 

[Andykhang]

^...I think we somehow got a misunderstanding. I think that the normal human would be tier 9, not 6, at least physically. I mean most fairy isn't going to be as strong as Cirno, or the three fairy of light, if not then the fairy would actually be a political force in Gensokyo and pushed Human to extinction.

Basically, what I want to said is : Normal human == fodder fairy <<<<<<<< Cirno ~= Fairy of light < Marisa and so on.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

lol no.

Cirno is higher than normal fairies but not to the point of being millions of times stronger. She can still be beaten by humans when considering sheer power, but her ice powers makes her hard to deal with.

Also your argument relies on the fact that humans are just wall. Yes fairies would be OP if Humans were Tier 9, my point being that they aren't.

 

[Andykhang]

^You mean sheer physical force, since last time I remember, their strength and mentality at best would be that of a 10 years old. That's why the normal human could deal with them. One indivitual fairy itself isn't going to be big, either, and that's why they come in group to fight.

And yeah, I think most human would be just wall at best. If each of them could one-punch an island, they wouldn't actually need to be scare of the youkai, since most of the youkai are also fodder compare to them (Japan have a tendency to make a Youkai out of every little inconvenience in life). If they learn magic, it would be a different thing, but so far, there are very few indivitual among human that strive to learn it. More over, Gensokyo wouldn't even exist either if the human village isn't what it is : A political ground for the mystical force.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

And Cirno is Tier 6 physically while not being billions of times stronger than the average fairy.

..Okay you are using the same argument. The point is that Youkai = Humans more or less, so if Humans can one-punch an island (Which they can't it's just AP) then Youkai can do so too. What are you even on about now.

 

[Andykhang]

Huh... then what about the outsider then? It's not like every single human being in that world is capable to punching island apart either, since it's nearly similar to our own. And in canon, there have been case of people coming in from the outside and stay in the human village. If the tier is right, no way they would even survive against their own resident, not to mention youkai.

...Or do you suggest that Yukari is somehow building a super-force that would take over the world, by mean of upgrading people to tier 6 upon entering? Because that would be a really stupid one.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Stoooop. AP =/= DC. Stop. Stop Stooooooop. STOP. You keep using "hurr durr X cannot punch an island in half". AP =/= DC.

Your argument that everyone is magically protected from attacks in Spell Card rules isn't really the best either.

If you refer to Maribel's profiles, "possibly far higher" is a thing too y'know, so is the Island level dura.

 

[Andykhang]

Then why do you keep saying that human must be physically 6-C? You know saying that mean they both have 6-C dura and AP right?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I made Maribel possibly higher because assuming she was 6-C may have brought in controversy as she has never shown directly harming a Youkai but it should probably be 6-C anyway.

Gensokyo Humans are definitively around 6-C due to Cirno being physically 6-C. Yourself admitted that Humans should be physically superior to Fairies.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

And back and forth comments are here.....

 

[Andykhang]

I made Maribel possibly higher because assuming she was 6-C may have brought in controversy as she has never shown directly harming a Youkai but it should probably be 6-C anyway.

Gensokyo Humans are definitively around 6-C due to Cirno being physically 6-C. Yourself admitted that Humans should be physically superior to Fairies.

And why do you think that the normal human would fight against Cirno? You're assuming that Cirno == other Fairy when in fact she's the outlier.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Because assuming Cirno is billions of times above average fairies is nonsense.

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Being able to freeze small objects instantly, she is a bit more dangerous than regular fairies.

"A bit more", not "A god among her species".

 

[Andykhang]

^Technically, they're all gods of nature. And I don't think they would take this seriously at all.

...And in the end it's about the inconsistence between fighting game and manga source huh.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"Gods". Please. They are embodiment of nature, but they are many of them for a single element. They are more like fragment of nature rather than controlling all of one element.

..Kay what are you talking about now man?

No seriously you are confusing me. Cirno is 6-C physically and most humans shouldn't be billions of times weaker and it's hinted they could deal with her. No matter where it came from, it still applies. It's only inconsistent because you are so determined to think humans are Tier 9.

 

[Andykhang]

You know, right now I think it make way more sense to see that they could be tier 6 in the sense that they could defeat someone with tier 6 on the table.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

...Going to assume you agree now? I'll just assume this till tomorow I guess.