Touhou PC-98 Stats Revision

[Ryukama]

If Makai is of an unknown size just like the profile says, isn't it quite biased of us to rate this as Low 2-C, yet firmly deny upgrades for every other realm feat of similar nature?

Also I agree with Azzy that the infinite statement is likely hyperbolic. And again, we didn't rate Chakravartin Low 2-C due to his realm being stated to be infinite.

If the supposed constellations in Makai are real/part of that realm, then I am fine with a 4-A rating.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

It's not an unknown but actually an at least with the current states.

I wasn't made aware of being there other feats like these and if there were the case I would support them if they're consistent enough.

Well it would be hyperbolic if not for the existence of things such as the mirror dimension (Referenced by Yukari when she fights herself in a later game, and teh fact that Yumeko has actual statements on the possibility of the world ending when she meets an alternate self version of her) so there are existing alternate universes out there already. And add in the Buddhist guy (again questionable but I'm backing that up with my previous feat) and the infinite area and how Shinki is treated as a God, although that feat itself isn't that useful. Although it never came into my attention that Shinki's tier is Solar System to Universe+, it would make much more sense if it was just possibly.

Oh and I have citations and sources for those feats I talked about above.

Wouldn't it be 3-C? Since there's a sun and several constellations? I recall Yumeko's fight even having warped quite something alongside the distant stars.


Tldr - I have some backings for why 'Possibly Universal+' Shinki isn't that much of a hyperbole. And won't it be at least Galaxy?

 

[Ryukama]

If all that is explicitly shown is a sun and several constellations, best it's getting is 4-A. And I'm not quite understanding here. It doesn't seem like the mere existence of alternate universes and Shinki being treated as a god indicates that a separate realm actually is infinite in size.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Huh.... Always thought it was 3-C that way. Actually wait, let me check on that. I think there's something else.

It's more at the statement of it being hyperbolic. So it's just backing. But thinking about it since the OP isn't even here to argue for their case, and technically I'm against their scaling to Universal anyway I'll concede.

 

[Promestein]

4-A seems fine for Shinki to me

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

At least 4-A, likely higher perhaps? And that would scale to the playable cast of PC-98 won't it?

 

[Ryukama]

We don't assume any realm feats to be higher than what is explicitly shown or (reliably) stated about it. She should just get 4-A, no "at least" or "likely higher" in my opinion.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

It's more on the idea that it's not really that hyperoblic and well. And also on the the idea that even the smallest constellation discovred in our universe spans a volume of few thousand light years away from each other.

 

[Ryukama]

Well I'd think that an entire galaxy would be significantly larger than a few constellations, but I guess if others agree with "At least 4-A" I'd be fine with that as well.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

That seems fair. I'll try to count the constellations again in a bit.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

If the stars are in fact real, 4-A is fine for Shinki.

 

[LordXcano]

IDK much about Shinki or even this franchise, but doesn't OP alone point out how Tier 5 is seen as an all-powerful thing one needs an object to wish on in order to get near, yet then goes on to argue that 4-A to 2-C should be what we scale off of?

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with Ryukama's suggestion, although LordXcano also seems to make a relevant point.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Well that issue is technically moot once Reimu scales. Then there's also the issue of said Tier 5 feat actually allowing Reimu to wipe out away distant stars (since even the background dots representin the stars vanish) . You're going to have to wait for Saikou to respond on that regard. Either way it's not an all powerful thing either and more just 'hey it's pretty powerful' and that was before Shinki's appearance anyway.