Btw about this, this wouldn't be the first time sans fought a soulless being (Flowey), his dura neg works either way. Although, he probably won't resort to it in the first place.
How is he using social influence on a mindless being? SI relies on emotions and mentality, both of which TK doesn't have in this key.
The Knight just influences his mind to like, not do that via its mind manip.
Does Sans have any actual combat skill for this to even be debatable? And it's not about who hits first because TK can just kidna regenerate from getting hit.
Sans' telekinesis is said to work on souls specifically on his profile so that just shouldn't work. Actually most of Sans' abilities are said to work specifically on a persons soul which TK outright doesn't have.
His duraneg is described as a soul poison. The Knight both doesn't have a soul and is an inorganic being so it shouldn't work. Even if it does, TK just heals from it.
It won't
He locks a person in a teleportation lock where they can't get out or attack even if they have a ranged weapon.
He has danmaku far worse than most things TK has faced and instinctive reaction good enough to dodge attacks in his sleep. He also can dodge attacks from a person who killed some of the most skilled warriors in the kingdom.
If it worked on Flowey, a soulless being, it will work on TK.
The Knight won't regenerate since he needs to hit someone to get soul to actually use focus. Sans can hit the knight due to superior danmaku.
Idk. But it is noted in the powers and abilities section
So how/why would that work in a non-ingame situation?
How? What's a teleportation lock?
Sooo the knight is still more than skilled enough to dodge his attacks even without flight when this key can straight up fly.
I'm mainly asking for offensive skill here. Dodging an attack or 2 from TK won't mean much given most of Knights opponents were extremely tanky and needed many hits to be dealt with anyway.
What worked in Flowey? Because the telekinesis specifically says he can move souls.
That's healing. I'm talking about regeneration. This is void given form not base Knight.
Can you show me danmaku superior to something like AbsRad? Because TK could avoid those without flight and this key has flying on top of that.
So it's poison. This version of TK is inorganic meaning he's immune to poisons.
Verse equalization covers that for sans.
Nope, his flight either works horizontally or a singular jump. Additionally he hasn't fought anyone with Danmaku similar to Sans'.
Who needs fighting when you can teleport away.
The deal with sans however is that he never lets anyone hit him.
Presumably anything he has since Flowey is a tough opponent. Despite Flowey having in-canon save points he had to reset timelines because nothing he did worked on sans despite trying again and again.
That means all his powers aren't applicable since his shell has been shattered. All he can do now is slap people with tendrils and fly a little
It's not canonically poison, it is magic that works similar to poison.
Verse equalization can't give a character a weakness.
Actually the Knight's Shade was shown to be able to use it's spells even without SOUL so I think it's safe to say that the Knight in this key can do the same.
That's fair (though the spells were shown to be weaker). Still would basically nuke all his charms and weapons
No it does not. The Knight literally just straight up flies around in this key.
Just about every character who TK fought which had teleportation? And this is SBA, Sans just running away in hopes of incon results is against the state of mind he should be in.
He doesn't need to let TK hit him, he just needs to fail to dodge.
That can't be true because soul manip logically couldn't have worked on a soulless being lol.
Nothing in the game even remotely implies that (the shade literally learns the same spells as you when you learn them) and more importantly, the profile says he has all of his past abilities.
So you're saying the profile describes it as soul poison but it doesn't affect souls and isn't poison?
We're not using any charms here and the shade can use the nail.
Gets instantly teleported back
Didn't see it was that key before
Yeah teleporting a bit in a small room. This is a guy with better range and a far better range with tp, not your casual teleportation guy. This is one second he is a close, next he is a hundred meters behind you.
No, SBA isn't bloodlust. He can run away and prolong the fight because that is in character.
This is a stat equal tournament, Sans can tank an attack in a worst case scenario.
Yet it did bro, deal with it
That's because the profile is outdated as hell and I haven't finished the revisions. He has at best a few of his abilities which the shade has in a limited range and power compared to the real deal.
Yeah yeah come back when TK suddenly knows how to maneuver in mid-air flight and shows more flight feats than floating upwards in a single sequence. Parrying dozens of bones won't work, he doesn't have his sword and even then he could barely parry a frew chain attacks. Dashing won't work against long rows of bones since dashing has limits. Also, dashing will probably not work actually since, you know, the cloak is gone.
It doesn't slowly drain hp. It instantly poisons a portion of your HP. Basically, even if you heal up it'll still continue draining. Additionally he still ain't healing squat since he can't focus without soul.So you're saying the profile describes it as soul poison but it doesn't affect souls and isn't poison?
That's goofy af, but if that's somehow the case then TK just heals it up instantly since it "slowly" drains the HP.
So what you're saying is it works as a "Max HP Reduction" effect like Maliketh's Destined Death?
I have no clue what that is
While it's true that the Knight's Shade can't use charms to boost it's abilities it does keep the spell and (presumably)nail upgrades so they would still be able to do a significant amount of damage regardless. Also couldn't The Knight just destroy Sans' bones?
If your health is 100% the "Max HP Reduction" effect will make it so that it's is reduced to 90%(or below) with no amount of healing being able to restore the damage, though it does wear off after some time has passed(though that might be just game mechanics.)
He probably can destroy Sans' bones but if they're spammed I doubt he'd be able to deal with all of them. Additionally they can spawn almost instantly from any direction without warning.
Basically that but it's even more temporary.
Can he teleport intangible beings? Does he have infinite stamina? Is this even in character under SBA?
Sure? The range doesn't really matter here.
SBA states he's actively trying to kill the opponent. Stalling to meet vsbw criteria for incon goes against that
No not really. TK uses sharp blades meaning if he hits Sans it will do major damage.
That would just be PIS. And bad writing doesn't give you the ability to affect souls of people who don't have souls.
Wdym "outdated" did you get an early access to Silksong?
This isn't just the shade, this is void given form. I've said this like 10x now.
Flying simply removes the cooldown disadvantage of the monarch wings. The Knight already had great midair maneuver skills with just a double jump and pogos, giving him straight up flight just enhances his mobility.
He doesn't need to parry dozens at once. Just in case he failed to dodge one.
There's no reason to assume he lost his sword and we see the og shade use it's sword. I even sent you a scan.
Which is more than enough…
Dashing + flight absolutely would work. Dash gets him out of the initial attack and flight keeps him out of the waves.
Prove that? The shade cloak is
Actually it doesn't even matter. It's in the profile so idk why are you trying to argue against it here.
At this point I'm just repeating myself. I already told you I'm not referring to focus HEALING but to REGENERATION
It's under SBA and Knight is only intangible for a single ~1 meter dash. Sans tp range is far greater.
Range always matters. Knight has bad travel speed.
That's literally what happened in the story though. He actively tried to kill someone and when failed he resorted to plan b.
That means nothing really it's not dura neg it's just slightly more damage. He'd need to actually hit him first which ain't happening.
Nah, it's simply something that works. Magic in undertale is both physical and soul attacking. His abilities work on both mediums.
Nah it means that whoever created the profiles didn't do a good enough job
Doesn't matter. Prove he has the powers to the same extent or cease.
That is not proven since the most he has flown is upwards. For all we know it's just a floating ability.
Sure, it enhances it, but Sans killed a character who was a master of dodging danmaku in the air like 17 times (danmaku that is overall as crazy or crazier than anything HK has to offer). He can certainly put down someone with somehwhat decent maneuvering skills and an undefined level of flight.
If he has a wall of bones coming at him he ain't gonna be able to parry them. The knight doesn't know Sans' patterns and can easily be caught off guard.
The og shade use a sword, not the sword, not to mention the lower range.
It ain't
Your entire argument rn relies on a single undefined feat of flight and your assumption that he can maneuver in that state.
Fair, you proved it.
Why is he even allowed here then, wasn't this supposed to be a low-mid ability tournament? You'd need some serious disintegration abilities to handle this which ain't allowed. Gonna have to ask the organizer to look at this carefully.
Is this kinda stuff allowed here?
Well if we consider in the regen and the immunity to soul manipulation then it means Sans has no way to permanently put down the knight. He'd run out of stamina before the knight could ever die so in the end that's a loss for sans.
No. If we count in regen the knight would simply outlast him and eventually probably get a hit in with ranged attacks.
Knight wouldn't be able to attack sans once he uses his special attack tho? Even Frisk with a gun can't do so, so I don't think ranged attacks would matter.
Sans could probably get whooped by an unexpected attack if the knight reforms after being killed once. Sans hasn't dealt with regeneration before so I think he could get struck down.
I guess it depends on if sans sees him regenerating or not, and even then his IR let him dodge an attack in his sleep, so yeah,
