Toilet-Bound Hanako-Kun CRT

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

In light of Season 2 annoucement and the anime adaptation of its spinoff series "After School Hanako-Kun" continuing, I thought today would be a good day to provide revisions for the verse on this wiki. I've seen the cosomolgy scales on fourms for the verse and bit of back and forth about the Japanese translations and I think ithe cosmology is pretty valid, but the character scaling is not THAT high. So, lets do this, shall we?

Attack Potency:
The high tiers of the verse should cap at around Multi-Galaxy or Universal levels of power, with lower tiers scaling to at least solar system to multi-galaxy if we take scaling from the boundary creation. Kou referred to boundaries as "the ocean that divides the netherworld and this world". This is important as some people choose to take the word 境界 (Kyōkai) in this context at face value, when in actualality, boundaries aren't just dividers for the worlds.

When entering Yako's Boundary, Hanako (who is also depicted as the narrator in this case) describes Yako's boundary as 異界 (Ikai) This is important to note as Ikai in japanese literally translates to "spirit world" or "alien world", but given the context of the supernatural themes of JSHK, it would be spirit world (which is still the translation most accurate.) This is important as "Ikai" is a derivative of "Sekai", an ambigous term used to describe a society, a planet or universe- due to semantics. Given how Yako's world has stars present within them, it CAN be determined to be at least solar system, or galaxy in size. However, an argument can be made that the stars are simply a backdrop which isn't the case.


In the innermost reaches of Yako's boundary, where her Yorishiro is held, Yashiro describes the atmosphere being much different than at the top of the staircase, which has stars present the higher you go up. And in the anime, it is shown as being daytime rather than simply just glowing (like i've seen many argue.) And as we know, when a Yorishiro is destroyed, the power of the supernatural is weakened significantly. And when Yako's Yorishiro is removed, her boundary fragments and is destroyed.

This isn't the only showing of this, as Shijima Mei is capable of creating parallel worlds in her boundary, which are seperated from reality. With her being able to create stars and induce meteorlogical events in the worlds. With even having stars like Antares being created, and Hanako who is well versed in astromny being able to point it out. This is consistent with the fact that Yako, who among the Wonders, has some of the least impressive feats combat wise (besides Tsuchigomori) has that level of creation feats which scale her AP that high. Both Sealed Staff Kou and Base Hanako can combat her somewhat in her domain, which should scale them around that level. And I shall add, these worlds are reffered to as Sekais rather than Ikais, which still makes it consistent with Yako's Boundary scaling, as Shijima's world is meant to be a psudeo-living world. People try to use the moon not being the same size as the normal moon, which I personally think is a pretty bad argument, as the moon appears a set size in the sky and doesn't remain consistent in size when it approaches the main cast. It's likely it shrunk as it approached, which can be directly attributed to Shijima being able to manipualte reality in her boundary.

There are a whole lot more feats I can touch on for AP, but I believe this is long enough. Several characters in the series scale to or massively above Yako, with Tsuchigomori being the only outlier among the Wonders. As for this, AP wise a good majority of the verse who scale relative Yako (Kou, Mitsuba, etc) should have these levels of Attack Potency. With high tiers like Shinigami, Shijima Teru, Akane (+ other clockkeepers), and Hanako scaling far above Yako. And Tsukasa mf Yugi scales massively above the Wonders like the Clockkeepers (credit to Arianninc for the scans).

Speed

Most characters who scale to or above Kou in the series scale around Lightning, such as Hanako being able to dodge spirit lightning before it affects him. Usually we're under the assumption that Spirit Lightning isn't able to affect Hanako, but Teru is able to bring Hanako back to his base state and damage him with his katana. With Teru opting to use Lightning before he knocks him out of the transformed state. Making it more likely he can simply dodge the Lightning. In addition, there are more feats of characters like Shinigami being able to blitz Teru pretty easily.

That's the scaling, as I say (I won't be going over hax as there are too many in this damned series.)

WE ARE DONE WITH THE WALL LEVEL SCALING !!!!

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

In light of Season 2 annoucement and the anime adaptation of its spinoff series "After School Hanako-Kun" continuing, I thought today would be a good day to provide revisions for the verse on this wiki. I've seen the cosomolgy scales on fourms for the verse and bit of back and forth about the Japanese translations and I think ithe cosmology is pretty valid, but the character scaling is not THAT high. So, lets do this, shall we?

Attack Potency:
The high tiers of the verse should cap at around Multi-Galaxy or Universal levels of power, with lower tiers scaling to at least solar system to multi-galaxy if we take scaling from the boundary creation. Kou referred to boundaries as "the ocean that divides the netherworld and this world". This is important as some people choose to take the word 境界 (Kyōkai) in this context at face value, when in actualality, boundaries aren't just dividers for the worlds.

When entering Yako's Boundary, Hanako (who is also depicted as the narrator in this case) describes Yako's boundary as 異界 (Ikai) This is important to note as Ikai in japanese literally translates to "spirit world" or "alien world", but given the context of the supernatural themes of JSHK, it would be spirit world (which is still the translation most accurate.) This is important as "Ikai" is a derivative of "Sekai", an ambigous term used to describe a society, a planet or universe- due to semantics. Given how Yako's world has stars present within them, it CAN be determined to be at least solar system, or galaxy in size. However, an argument can be made that the stars are simply a backdrop which isn't the case.


In the innermost reaches of Yako's boundary, where her Yorishiro is held, Yashiro describes the atmosphere being much different than at the top of the staircase, which has stars present the higher you go up. And in the anime, it is shown as being daytime rather than simply just glowing (like i've seen many argue.) And as we know, when a Yorishiro is destroyed, the power of the supernatural is weakened significantly. And when Yako's Yorishiro is removed, her boundary fragments and is destroyed.

This isn't the only showing of this, as Shijima Mei is capable of creating parallel worlds in her boundary, which are seperated from reality. With her being able to create stars and induce meteorlogical events in the worlds. With even having stars like Antares being created, and Hanako who is well versed in astromny being able to point it out. This is consistent with the fact that Yako, who among the Wonders, has some of the least impressive feats combat wise (besides Tsuchigomori) has that level of creation feats which scale her AP that high. Both Sealed Staff Kou and Base Hanako can combat her somewhat in her domain, which should scale them around that level. And I shall add, these worlds are reffered to as Sekais rather than Ikais, which still makes it consistent with Yako's Boundary scaling, as Shijima's world is meant to be a psudeo-living world. People try to use the moon not being the same size as the normal moon, which I personally think is a pretty bad argument, as the moon appears a set size in the sky and doesn't remain consistent in size when it approaches the main cast. It's likely it shrunk as it approached, which can be directly attributed to Shijima being able to manipualte reality in her boundary.

There are a whole lot more feats I can touch on for AP, but I believe this is long enough. Several characters in the series scale to or massively above Yako, with Tsuchigomori being the only outlier among the Wonders. As for this, AP wise a good majority of the verse who scale relative Yako (Kou, Mitsuba, etc) should have these levels of Attack Potency. With high tiers like Shinigami, Shijima Teru, Akane (+ other clockkeepers), and Hanako scaling far above Yako. And Tsukasa mf Yugi scales massively above the Wonders like the Clockkeepers (credit to Arianninc for the scans).

Speed

Most characters who scale to or above Kou in the series scale around Lightning, such as Hanako being able to dodge spirit lightning before it affects him. Usually we're under the assumption that Spirit Lightning isn't able to affect Hanako, but Teru is able to bring Hanako back to his base state and damage him with his katana. With Teru opting to use Lightning before he knocks him out of the transformed state. Making it more likely he can simply dodge the Lightning. In addition, there are more feats of characters like Shinigami being able to blitz Teru pretty easily.

That's the scaling, as I say (I won't be going over hax as there are too many in this damned series.)

WE ARE DONE WITH THE WALL LEVEL SCALING !!!!

gotta bump this, mods needa peep

 

[Greatsage13th]

The second bumping

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

bump once more

 

[Yeolban]

Hello! I am currently working on making character sandboxes for several of the JSHK characters, and I'm planning to release them at the same time once I'm finished. A lot of them currently scale to "10-A/9-B physically, At least 4-A with the Boundary."

I replied just now because I have only now seen the thread...

Shijima will be the easiest example, as she can make picture worlds inside paintings. (I have currently rated her Likely 10-A physically, At least 4-A with Picture Worlds) First off, Shijima Mei's worlds aren't "parallel worlds", therefore they shouldn't be assumed to be universes. Yes, she does get 4-A for creating worlds with starry skies, which according to vsbw standards translate to at least multi-solar system sized worlds, however it is incorrect to make these characters get the full rating. Unless you mean to make humans scale to multi-solar system just because they could get a hit in (for example, Kou defeating Hakubo, who also gets a 4-A with Boundary rating because of Sumire's prison which has a starry sky).

In short, a lot of the characters, mainly the mysteries, are what vsbw calls "smurfs", characters who have abilities that far outscale their physical stats. Hakubo and Tsukasa should be the physically strongest characters in the series as of now, yet neither of them exceed wall-level attacks and subsonic speeds.

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

Hello! I am currently working on making character sandboxes for several of the JSHK characters, and I'm planning to release them at the same time once I'm finished. A lot of them currently scale to "10-A/9-B physically, At least 4-A with the Boundary."

I replied just now because I have only now seen the thread...

Shijima will be the easiest example, as she can make picture worlds inside paintings. (I have currently rated her Likely 10-A physically, At least 4-A with Picture Worlds) First off, Shijima Mei's worlds aren't "parallel worlds", therefore they shouldn't be assumed to be universes. Yes, she does get 4-A for creating worlds with starry skies, which according to vsbw standards translate to at least multi-solar system sized worlds, however it is incorrect to make these characters get the full rating. Unless you mean to make humans scale to multi-solar system just because they could get a hit in (for example, Kou defeating Hakubo, who also gets a 4-A with Boundary rating because of Sumire's prison which has a starry sky).

In short, a lot of the characters, mainly the mysteries, are what vsbw calls "smurfs", characters who have abilities that far outscale their physical stats. Hakubo and Tsukasa should be the physically strongest characters in the series as of now, yet neither of them exceed wall-level attacks and subsonic speeds.

I also just found out there's CRTs in here which is my bad, I should've checked out first, so if needed I will come back to this reply later.

Cool, love to see the verse get more attention! Though two things to say

1. I didn't claim Shijima's world's are default parallel.. i'm pretty sure anyone who reads the series understands that lol. The world we see is assumed to be parallel due to not only Japanese translations stating such, but also the clear details meant to represent the Living and Painting World's similarities. It's a similar situation like which BLEACH scaling, where the three world's while different fundamentally, are usually stated to be parallel to the WoL in size; similar logic applies to JSHK. Universal however, is up to interpretaion and is somewhat a wank

2. I can understand why some characters in the verse would be classified as "smurfs." And I do agree. Though, some like Hanako, Teru, Kou, Shinigami, and especially Tsukasa for example should have their AP scale to such, as they are able to exert enough power to damage these characters, especially Tsukasa who has one-shotted not only the previous Third Wonder in their boundary, but also both Kako and Mirai in the latest chapters, as well as no diffing characters like Kou— blatanly having scaling above the rest of the cast.

Other than that, I do agree with your post! Not a bad take as this series has several ways to interpret their scaling

 

[Yeolban]

Though, some like Hanako, Teru, Kou, Shinigami, and especially Tsukasa for example should have their AP scale to such, as they are able to exert enough power to damage these characters, especially Tsukasa who has one-shotted not only the previous Third Wonder in their boundary, but also both Kako and Mirai in the latest chapters, as well as no diffing characters like Kou— blatanly having scaling above the rest of the cast.

Oh, are you perhaps referring to Hanako's statement that Mysteries are supposed to be undefeatable in their Boundaries? If it is so, unfortunately, I can't really agree due to this "undefeatable" not being explained. (However, in the sandboxes, just to be safe, I did add an "Empowerment" ability) Mysteries managing and controlling the Boundaries does not translate to them gaining the full 4-A Attack Potency.

Physical 4-A AP would mean that with a character's full physical force, they should be able to destroy an entire multi-solar system sized construct, which... Never really happens. It only happens via the Yorishiro, but that doesn't translate to anyone's AP, and even then, it's something temporary as, according to Tsuchigomori, these Boundaries still exist, they're just not managed by the respective mysteries anymore, as it's also shown with Yako's Boundary.

Mitsuba's own power inside his own boundary could only destroy some walls at best. Though, a little bit off-topic, I will mention that both Hanako and Tsukasa's profiles are about as good as Teru's cooking.

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

Oh, are you perhaps referring to Hanako's statement that Mysteries are supposed to be undefeatable in their Boundaries? If it is so, unfortunately, I can't really agree due to this "undefeatable" not being explained. (However, in the sandboxes, just to be safe, I did add an "Empowerment" ability) Mysteries managing and controlling the Boundaries does not translate to them gaining the full 4-A Attack Potency.

Physical 4-A AP would mean that with a character's full physical force, they should be able to destroy an entire multi-solar system sized construct, which... Never really happens. It only happens via the Yorishiro, but that doesn't translate to anyone's AP, and even then, it's something temporary as, according to Tsuchigomori, these Boundaries still exist, they're just not managed by the respective mysteries anymore, as it's also shown with Yako's Boundary.

Mitsuba's own power inside his own boundary could only destroy some walls at best. Though, a little bit off-topic, I will mention that both Hanako and Tsukasa's profiles are about as good as Teru's cooking.

Yeah, right now their current profiles SUCK (+ having additional character profiles would be sick)

And no actually, I don't like when people use that statement to argue it mainly because if you use context, its clear it refers to another character being supressed within the boundary. What i'm actually referring to is Hanako's statement in CHP. 5 I also have the raws too, which I translated but it mostly means the exact statement in the official translations (so no mistranslations.) While destroying a Yorishiro≠AP, using the rules of VSBW (and scaling in general), being able to damage and consistently tag characters prior to a Yorishiro being destroyed should be counted towards one's own scaling, as it is clear destroying one [Yorishiro] would mean the destruction of a boundary, and creation feats yadayadayada. Also tbf, some series don't have huge high tier destruction feats on-screen yet still can reach these levels.. but its up to one's interpretation!

So someone like Yashiro would be utter fodder (duh), where someone like Tsukasa has shown clear consistency to stomp Wonders in their own domain could have these feats. There's also more statements and feats that tell and imply its consistency, i'll have to find them if you want me to

EDIT: forgot to mention, the boundaries do have clear differences however. It's like a void with few objects, and supernaturals fill those spaces such as in the mini festival arc. And a Wonder does this but to a grand scale and with their own spiritual power

EDIT 2: Linked the wrong imgur

 

[Yeolban]

as it is clear destroying one [Yorishiro] would mean the destruction of a boundary, and creation feats yadayadayada.

I would've agreed, if it weren't for Tsuchigomori's statement that says that the Boundary still exists, it's just not managed anymore. The destruction of the Yorishiro rids them of the 4-A rating because they don't have the authority to manage their boundaries anymore. There's still chapter 95 shenanigans, but it doesn't really contradict Tsuchigomori's statement and no one in the series ever stated that it is the Mysteries who created these boundaries in the first place. Even in Hakubo's case, he was clear-cut stated to be the one that guards the Boundary nearest to the Far Shore.

Either way, the only character to have been able to destroy Mysteries within their own boundaries is Tsukasa, so I think he can wait. There's also the weird Mitsuba case where he can apparently control No. 3's Boundary in the Hell of Mirrors arc, but then was called an incomplete School Mystery because of a lack of a Yorishiro. What happened to former No. 3's Yorishiro? Did it get destroyed off-screen? Did it just disappear after his death?

So someone like Yashiro would be utter fodder (duh)

Which is funny because baby Nene should probably get subsonic reaction speed for consistently dodging Tsukasa LMFAO

 

[Yeolban]

By the way, I have now published the sandboxes. I have added 12 new profiles, and they can all be checked out via the verse page.

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

By the way, I have now published the sandboxes. I have added 12 new profiles, and they can all be checked out via the verse page.

Hell yeah! Love to see the verse get some rep

Also I do say that because the destruction of them did (likely) rid everything that the Wonder has created, you can make the argument that the creation of the celestial bodies filling the space of the boundary makes them 5-A+ via creation feats—then again its however you interpret the scaling.

I do agree with both lines of our scaling, and both have credence, cause they have that narrative consistency.

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

I would've agreed, if it weren't for Tsuchigomori's statement that says that the Boundary still exists, it's just not managed anymore. The destruction of the Yorishiro rids them of the 4-A rating because they don't have the authority to manage their boundaries anymore. There's still chapter 95 shenanigans, but it doesn't really contradict Tsuchigomori's statement and no one in the series ever stated that it is the Mysteries who created these boundaries in the first place. Even in Hakubo's case, he was clear-cut stated to be the one that guards the Boundary nearest to the Far Shore.

Either way, the only character to have been able to destroy Mysteries within their own boundaries is Tsukasa, so I think he can wait. There's also the weird Mitsuba case where he can apparently control No. 3's Boundary in the Hell of Mirrors arc, but then was called an incomplete School Mystery because of a lack of a Yorishiro. What happened to former No. 3's Yorishiro? Did it get destroyed off-screen? Did it just disappear after his death?


Which is funny because baby Nene should probably get subsonic reaction speed for consistently dodging Tsukasa LMFAO

Edit: LOL you’re right, but tho, makes me remember

i stand adamant that the verse can be scaled to be lightning timers—pretty consistent! the real argument is proving whether or not exortricity (funny name for exorcist lightning) is relative to real lightning. considering Tiara and Kou is capable of summoning lightning from the skies—it makes sense

 

[Yeolban]

Also I do say that because the destruction of them did (likely) rid everything that the Wonder has created, you can make the argument that the creation of the celestial bodies filling the space of the boundary makes them 5-A+ via creation feats—then again its however you interpret the scaling.

I've already added this under "Pocket Reality Manipulation", so I think it should be fine.

i stand adamant that the verse can be scaled to be lightning timers—pretty consistent! the real argument is proving whether or not exortricity (funny name for exorcist lightning) is relative to real lightning. considering Tiara and Kou is capable of summoning lightning from the skies—it makes sense

Yes, this doesn't sound like a bad idea. I mean... It looks like lightning, so... But for the Minamotos it should only count as attack speed, and those who can dodge or at least react can scale to this.

Edit: Unfortunately, you have to prove it's actually lightning and not just exorcism powers that look like lightning, so this will be difficult.

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

I've already added this under "Pocket Reality Manipulation", so I think it should be fine.


Yes, this doesn't sound like a bad idea. I mean... It looks like lightning, so... But for the Minamotos it should only count as attack speed, and those who can dodge or at least react can scale to this.

Edit: Unfortunately, you have to prove it's actually lightning and not just exorcism powers that look like lightning, so this will be difficult.

It has interactions that serve as actual lightning, such as burning (seen in all the fights), electric conductivity (is the exact reason its hot + many examples)

Safe to say, it’s more than likely lightning

Edit: Going off of superiority or relativity scaling—the Minamoto’s should still be relative to their attacks considering someone like Kou can keep up with Wonders like.. extreme diff or at least react to their attacks while Raiteijou is suppressed, and Teru outright blitzes Hanako several times while he’s on guard—and beats on him during the train fight while little to no damage

Tiara should really be the only one who doesn’t have the combat speed

 

[Yeolban]

It has interactions that serve as actual lightning, such as burning (seen in all the fights), electric conductivity (is the exact reason its hot + many examples)

Can you compile all scans that can serve as proof it's actual lightning? Because... That's pretty much how you prove it.

Going off of superiority or relativity scaling—the Minamoto’s should still be relative to their attacks considering someone like Kou can keep up with Wonders like.. extreme diff or at least react to their attacks while Raiteijou is suppressed, and Teru outright blitzes Hanako several times while he’s on guard—and beats on him during the train fight while little to no damage

It really depends. Let's first prove it's actual lightning and then see who scales and how.

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

Can you compile all scans that can serve as proof it's actual lightning? Because... That's pretty much how you prove it.


It really depends. Let's first prove it's actual lightning and then see who scales and how.

Got it

Not only burns Hanako when he interacts with it outside of his transformed state, but additionally burns the unexperienced, earlier chapter versions of Kou when mishandling

Two instances of cloud-to-ground lightning capabilities. In the anime scene for Tiara's feat, it illustrates more clearly it is actual cloud to ground lightning (for your sake, go to timestamp 7:10 to 7:25) . Kou's is more ambigious since he strikes the groound, but it without a doubt is cloud-to-ground for Tiara.

A much looser way of proving it, but Kou is visibly surprised when Shinigami can still move after being hit implying the lightning has some sort of temporary paralysis effect too. Would I personally use this.. eh, not really, but its another thing you can potentially use.

I know for a fact there is more but as of now that's what I know off the top of my head. If you need more evidence, I can bring it


Edit: saw the page, i should be def be a knolwedgeable member and supporter

 

[Yeolban]

saw the page, i should be def be a knolwedgeable member and supporter

You can add yourself while you get a passed CRT and made changes to pages, I could add myself bc I created 12 whole ass new pages. But if this crt works at least with the speed section and modify pages, you can add yourself. (Trust me, I tried to do so on a verse page once when I was a youngling who didn't go through any crts and my addition was removed immediately)

I called over a friend who I convinced to read JSHK and is way more knowledgeable than me ab vsbw stuff, so he should soon reply if this is good enough or not. I did so because it looks good enough to me, but I'd like a 2nd opinion.

 

[Yeolban]

By the way, I have created a general discussion thread. So if you're interested in having casual or powerscaling talk about the series, please feel free to use it.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So first of all, to verify the translation in OP: @Wankbreaker @Qliphoth_Bacikal

When entering Yako's Boundary, Hanako (who is also depicted as the narrator in this case) describes Yako's boundary as 異界 (Ikai) This is important to note as Ikai in japanese literally translates to "spirit world" or "alien world", but given the context of the supernatural themes of JSHK, it would be spirit world (which is still the translation most accurate.) This is important as "Ikai" is a derivative of "Sekai", an ambigous term used to describe a society, a planet or universe- due to semantics. Given how Yako's world has stars present within them, it CAN be determined to be at least solar system, or galaxy in size. However, an argument can be made that the stars are simply a backdrop which isn't the case.


In the innermost reaches of Yako's boundary, where her Yorishiro is held, Yashiro describes the atmosphere being much different than at the top of the staircase, which has stars present the higher you go up. And in the anime, it is shown as being daytime rather than simply just glowing (like i've seen many argue.) And as we know, when a Yorishiro is destroyed, the power of the supernatural is weakened significantly. And when Yako's Yorishiro is removed, her boundary fragments and is destroyed.

This isn't the only showing of this, as Shijima Mei is capable of creating parallel worlds in her boundary, which are seperated from reality. With her being able to create stars and induce meteorlogical events in the worlds. With even having stars like Antares being created, and Hanako who is well versed in astromny being able to point it out. This is consistent with the fact that Yako, who among the Wonders, has some of the least impressive feats combat wise (besides Tsuchigomori) has that level of creation feats which scale her AP that high. Both Sealed Staff Kou and Base Hanako can combat her somewhat in her domain, which should scale them around that level. And I shall add, these worlds are reffered to as Sekais rather than Ikais, which still makes it consistent with Yako's Boundary scaling, as Shijima's world is meant to be a psudeo-living world.

Can you corroborate what it's being claimed in these set of scans

@Elizhaa @Planck69 @Propellus @ActuallySpaceMan42 @UchihaSlayer96 once translations are set, I'd appreciate your help here. Particularly the following:

Got it

Not only burns Hanako when he interacts with it outside of his transformed state, but additionally burns the unexperienced, earlier chapter versions of Kou when mishandling

Two instances of cloud-to-ground lightning capabilities. In the anime scene for Tiara's feat, it illustrates more clearly it is actual cloud to ground lightning (for your sake, go to timestamp 7:10 to 7:25). Kou's is more ambigious since he strikes the groound, but it without a doubt is cloud-to-ground for Tiara.

I'd had to edit out the illegal site as per our rules. But I believe the manga scan does show cloud-to-ground lightning.

 

[Wankbreaker]

So first of all, to verify the translation in OP: @Wankbreaker @Qliphoth_Bacikal


Can you corroborate what it's being claimed in these set of scans

@Elizhaa @Planck69 @Propellus @ActuallySpaceMan42 @UchihaSlayer96 once translations are set, I'd appreciate your help here. Particularly the following:

I'd had to edit out the illegal site as per our rules. But I believe the manga scan does show cloud-to-ground lightning.

eternally answering calls, while my own are left unanswered

sure. Did you just want a QA check? or insert my interpretation. I can do the former within minutes, the latter will take a bit longer, ofc.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

eternally answering calls, while my own are left unanswered

sure. Did you just want a QA check? or insert my interpretation. I can do the former within minutes, the latter will take a bit longer, ofc.

Whatever ends up giving the more accurate results.

Post your thread on my wall and I'll check it rq

 

[Wankbreaker]

Whatever ends up giving the more accurate results.

Not really much of a difference, but the translations seem fine, no glaring errors.
(Though the OP seems to have used GPT?)
for future notice, forward the text to the TL request thread before making a CRT if you did use GPT.

Post your thread on my wall and I'll check it rq

my life is yours!!!!

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

Not really much of a difference, but the translations seem fine, no glaring errors.
(Though the OP seems to have used GPT?)
for future notice, forward the text to the TL request thread before making a CRT if you did use GPT.

my life is yours!!!!

Nah, used a bit of limited Japanese knowledge to translate it, which is why I was sort of worried about errors

I posted the translations and stuff in my own private discord server

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Alright then. With translations verified, I can accept the thread. That being said, I don't believe this would scale to all around stats. While the OP gives some arguments in the thread, there doesn't seem to be a proper UES for the verse established here.

Read the following page, @hiro_is_a_superior_being
If you can prove the verse has the aforementioned, we can scale these creation/warping feats. Until then, however, I'm agreement with this:

Hello! I am currently working on making character sandboxes for several of the JSHK characters, and I'm planning to release them at the same time once I'm finished. A lot of them currently scale to "10-A/9-B physically, At least 4-A with the Boundary."

I replied just now because I have only now seen the thread...

Shijima will be the easiest example, as she can make picture worlds inside paintings. (I have currently rated her Likely 10-A physically, At least 4-A with Picture Worlds) First off, Shijima Mei's worlds aren't "parallel worlds", therefore they shouldn't be assumed to be universes. Yes, she does get 4-A for creating worlds with starry skies, which according to vsbw standards translate to at least multi-solar system sized worlds, however it is incorrect to make these characters get the full rating. Unless you mean to make humans scale to multi-solar system just because they could get a hit in (for example, Kou defeating Hakubo, who also gets a 4-A with Boundary rating because of Sumire's prison which has a starry sky).

In short, a lot of the characters, mainly the mysteries, are what vsbw calls "smurfs", characters who have abilities that far outscale their physical stats. Hakubo and Tsukasa should be the physically strongest characters in the series as of now, yet neither of them exceed wall-level attacks and subsonic speeds.

Lightning speed should be fine tho.

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

Alright then. With translations verified, I can accept the thread. That being said, I don't believe this would scale to all around stats. While the OP gives some arguments in the thread, there doesn't seem to be a proper UES for the verse established here.

Read the following page, @hiro_is_a_superior_being
If you can prove the verse has the aforementioned, we can scale these creation/warping feats. Until then, however, I'm agreement with this:


Lightning speed should be fine tho.

I got ya, UES arguments incoming !

The main source of power in the series is indeed, spiritual energy, which people draw upon in the series to utilize their power. Sometimes called spiritual power or energy—all spiritually endowed beings use it. Exorcists channel their spirit energy as a medium through their weapons or, in Tiara’s case, purely summons lightning. This also isn’t inherently a Minamoto only thing, as Hanako is shown to activate the broken end of the staff in its unsealed state—ready to attack Kou with it, up until his tsueshiro is disabled, which, being another term for yorishiro, is the battery in which one’s spiritual power is in.

In addition this, heightened supernatural power allows higher physical prowess. This is shown with several instances in the series, such as the existence of Yorishiros being the main thing— but the first other most notable example is Akane. Teru explains that when Akane wears his spiritual glasses, his supernatural power lowers to such a degree that he cannot perceive ghosts, or spiritual phenomena. As well as is susceptible to spells.

And vice versa, when the glasses are removed, he is physically capable of gaining enough strength and speed to hurt and react supernatural beings, and only increasing his physicals more in clockkeeper form, more notably his durability, as he is able to survive being impaled.

Another example is Hanako’s transformed state, which directly is linked to his orbs, which are his tsueshiro (Refer to first section for how its connected to spirit energy.) Hanako is capable of fighting Teru and consistently reacting to his attacks, as well as dodging—if narrowly. In this state, he is capable of majorly blitzing Kou many times at the start of and throughout the series—as well as being relative, if not superior to him in base.

There’s also Hanako being able to contend with Mitsuba after gaining the power of the third wonder. Which Hanako even noted Mitsuba is “surprisingly quick”, meaning consuming the Third Wonder amplified his stats. As well as in his own boundary as the true Third Wonder— specifically when transformed, and while inexperienced, Mitsuba should still be at full power—mostly stronger than others since he’s empowered by a Yorishiro. These feats are even more shown as Hanako is capable of blitzing Mitsuba and getting behind him.

There’s a lot more in the series that shows this, and some author statements which implies it more—such as an unsealed Hanako being able to potentially destroy the world (i’ll find that later if you want)

However, the general basis of these abilities are contingent on one’s spiritual energy/power.

EDIT: I just remembered this scan too, a verbatim spiritual energy/power statement

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

Alright then. With translations verified, I can accept the thread. That being said, I don't believe this would scale to all around stats. While the OP gives some arguments in the thread, there doesn't seem to be a proper UES for the verse established here.

Read the following page, @hiro_is_a_superior_being
If you can prove the verse has the aforementioned, we can scale these creation/warping feats. Until then, however, I'm agreement with this:


Lightning speed should be fine tho.

As for lightning speed, it should be fine to add to the actual page ?

 

[Yeolban]

up until his tsueshiro is disabled, which, being another term for yorishiro, is the battery in which one’s spiritual power is in.

I don't see this as a viable argument, as Hanako already has a Yorishiro, Tsukasa. Yorishiros are fundamentally different in the series from what Hanako and Tsukasa's Hakujoudai, respectively Kokujoudai, are. Currently, there's nothing in the series itself suggesting that they're anything more than spirit servants, unlike the Yorishiros which keep the balance between the Supernatural and Mortal worlds and keep the Mysteries bound to their duties.

should still be at full power—mostly stronger than others since he’s empowered by a Yorishiro

Which it seems it only applies to the Hell of Mirrors arc. Natsuhiko later says that Mitsuba's not a full mystery due to the lack of a Yorishiro.

As for lightning speed, it should be fine to add to the actual page ?

You need minimum 2 staff members, so you have to wait for someone else to give their input.

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

I got ya, UES arguments incoming !

The main source of power in the series is indeed, spiritual energy, which people draw upon in the series to utilize their power. Sometimes called spiritual power or energy—all spiritually endowed beings use it. Exorcists channel their spirit energy as a medium through their weapons or, in Tiara’s case, purely summons lightning. This also isn’t inherently a Minamoto only thing, as Hanako is shown to activate the broken end of the staff in its unsealed state—ready to attack Kou with it, up until his tsueshiro is disabled, which, being another term for yorishiro, is the battery in which one’s spiritual power is in.

In addition this, heightened supernatural power allows higher physical prowess. This is shown with several instances in the series, such as the existence of Yorishiros being the main thing— but the first other most notable example is Akane. Teru explains that when Akane wears his spiritual glasses, his supernatural power lowers to such a degree that he cannot perceive ghosts, or spiritual phenomena. As well as is susceptible to spells.

And vice versa, when the glasses are removed, he is physically capable of gaining enough strength and speed to hurt and react supernatural beings, and only increasing his physicals more in clockkeeper form, more notably his durability, as he is able to survive being impaled.

Another example is Hanako’s transformed state, which directly is linked to his orbs, which are his tsueshiro (Refer to first section for how its connected to spirit energy.) Hanako is capable of fighting Teru and consistently reacting to his attacks, as well as dodging—if narrowly. In this state, he is capable of majorly blitzing Kou many times at the start of and throughout the series—as well as being relative, if not superior to him in base.

There’s also Hanako being able to contend with Mitsuba after gaining the power of the third wonder. Which Hanako even noted Mitsuba is “surprisingly quick”, meaning consuming the Third Wonder amplified his stats. As well as in his own boundary as the true Third Wonder— specifically when transformed, and while inexperienced, Mitsuba should still be at full power—mostly stronger than others since he’s empowered by a Yorishiro. These feats are even more shown as Hanako is capable of blitzing Mitsuba and getting behind him.

There’s a lot more in the series that shows this, and some author statements which implies it more—such as an unsealed Hanako being able to potentially destroy the world (i’ll find that later if you want)

However, the general basis of these abilities are contingent on one’s spiritual energy/power.

I don't see this as a viable argument, as Hanako already has a Yorishiro, Tsukasa. Yorishiros are fundamentally different in the series from what Hanako and Tsukasa's Hakujoudai, respectively Kokujoudai, are. Currently, there's nothing in the series itself suggesting that they're anything more than spirit servants, unlike the Yorishiros which keep the balance between the Supernatural and Mortal worlds and keep the Mysteries bound to their duties.


Which it seems it only applies to the Hell of Mirrors arc. Natsuhiko later says that Mitsuba's not a full mystery due to the lack of a Yorishiro.


You need minimum 2 staff members, so you have to wait for someone else to give their input.

I did forget about that statement about Mitsuba’s lack of a Yorishiro. However, the point can still stand without it

As for Hanako’s hakujoudai. It’s not entirely clear what they are, but given the fact Iro did make up a word to go along with it being at least related to his Yorishiro, which explains why Hanako gets a power boost. Tsukasa being his Yorishiro doesn’t remove the Hakujoudai’s relation to the power system.

I think the statement should be moreso interpreted as, the Hakujoudai are still an extension of Hanako’s powers, which would still be fueled by his Yorishiro, and thus, would still be able to be cut off by Shijima, as she did.

As for how he and Tsukasa got the spirit servants.. no one knows, but at least shown for Hanako are innately linked to his actual power

 

[Yeolban]

As for Hanako’s hakujoudai. It’s not entirely clear what they are, but given the fact Iro did make up a word to go along with it being at least related to his Yorishiro, which explains why Hanako gets a power boost. Tsukasa being his Yorishiro doesn’t remove the Hakujoudai’s relation to the power system.

Well yes, it should have something to do with Hanako's authority as the 7th Mystery. Him and Tsukasa are the only ones who have Tsueshiros, and both of them are related to "granting wishes" (as per the 7th Mystery rumors). However, it's still a bit too vague to use, since again, going off solely what is in the series currently, they're just cracked servants (as they can do lots of things...).

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

Well yes, it should have something to do with Hanako's authority as the 7th Mystery. Him and Tsukasa are the only ones who have Tsueshiros, and both of them are related to "granting wishes" (as per the 7th Mystery rumors). However, it's still a bit too vague to use, since again, going off solely what is in the series currently, they're just cracked servants (as they can do lots of things...).

That’s fair, so even then, if you ignore that point mostly, there’s still other points which inherently prove the series has a UES

.. The Hakujoudai and Kokujoudai imo, can be seen as weird, unexplained outliers. Should still be rooted somewhat with the power system but that’s up to one’s interpretation

 

[Yeolban]

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[Yeolban]

bumpy bump

 

[Yeolban]

Alright then. With translations verified, I can accept the thread. That being said, I don't believe this would scale to all around stats. While the OP gives some arguments in the thread, there doesn't seem to be a proper UES for the verse established here.

Read the following page, @hiro_is_a_superior_being
If you can prove the verse has the aforementioned, we can scale these creation/warping feats. Until then, however, I'm agreement with this:


Lightning speed should be fine tho.

hiro replied, what do you think?

 

[Yeolban]

bump....

 

[Yeolban]

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[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

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waiting is hell…

 

[Yeolban]

waiting is hell…

my own tsukasa & hanako pages overhaul crt just got accepted but this one seems to get super aired

 

[hiro_is_a_superior_being]

my own tsukasa & hanako pages overhaul crt just got accepted but this one seems to get super aired

smh.. dw just a matter of time

 

[Yeolban]

smh.. dw just a matter of time

hopefully this thread will get out of limbo someday

 

[Starter_Pack]

I will just say that lightning scaling seems blatant so that's acceptable, but I'll hold off on agreeing with the AP scaling since it still seems up in the air as to whether characters scale to their Boundaries.

@LephyrTheRevanchist If you could come back and help to finish verifying this information, I would appreciate it.