Time Manipulation

[Anzu_Hanashiro]

n the page on time manipulation it says something like this " By default, the range of time manipulation is considered universal unless explicitly demonstrated or specified otherwise. In the case of time manipulation through gravity manipulation, it will be presumed to have a localized range instead of a universal one unless explicitly stated or demonstrated. Similarly, when utilizing pocket dimensions for time manipulation, it will not be presumed to possess a universal range unless explicitly indicated or shown. "

In fact, time hax affects the 3D range and also the time axis, so it is the L2C range
=> the time stop/time manipulation/rewind time/slow time range is the L2C range
Is that true?

 

[Stanobreak]

 

[CallMeWiertz]

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[Stanobreak]

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[Anzu_Hanashiro]

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[Stanobreak]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I don't believe so. Unless specified, the Time Stop is not stopping time in the past, nor is it stopping time in the future, it is targeting the present moment within the timeline and would be 3-A or High 3-A depending on the verse.

 

[CallMeWiertz]

I don't believe so. Unless specified, the Time Stop is not stopping time in the past, nor is it stopping time in the future, it is targeting the present moment within the timeline and would be 3-A or High 3-A depending on the verse.

On the time manipulation page it is noted that if it cannot be proven that time only affects the present then it will default be assumed that time manipulation is a violation of past - present - future.

• By default, the range of time manipulation is considered universal unless explicitly demonstrated or specified otherwise. In the case of time manipulation through gravity manipulation, it will be presumed to have a localized range instead of a universal one unless explicitly stated or demonstrated. Similarly, when utilizing pocket dimensions for time manipulation, it will not be presumed to possess a universal range unless explicitly indicated or shown.

 

[Anzu_Hanashiro]

I don't believe so. Unless specified, the Time Stop is not stopping time in the past, nor is it stopping time in the future, it is targeting the present moment within the timeline and would be 3-A or High 3-A depending on the verse.

I don't think so, in theory, everything related to time has to affect the universal structure of time. Time stop is a sub ability of time hax, so it will also carry the L2C range. If the time does not have a limit, the default will be L2C.

 

[Anzu_Hanashiro]

@Delta333
What do you think about this?

 

[CallMeWiertz]

@Delta333
What do you think about this?

What are you doing pinging that guy, acting cool? ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

 

[Anzu_Hanashiro]

What are you doing pinging that guy, acting cool? ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

ask for advice, and I'm always cool

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

On the time manipulation page it is noted that if it cannot be proven that time only affects the present then it will default be assumed that time manipulation is a violation of past - present - future.

Universal is the name we use for 3D Range, not Low 2-C though.

Universal: 46.6 billion LY and up

• The radius of our observable universe is 46.6 billion LY.
• From here, the distance spans to infinity at that point, as there is no exact end to how far the actual universe spans.

 

[CallMeWiertz]

Universal is the name we use for 3D Range, not Low 2-C though.

more prove in time manipulation page

• In case of time stop sub-ability, unless users are shown or stated to have limits in terms of range, or that their ranges extend to areas beyond the universe, then they are assumed to be universal or higher by the virtue of affecting the very flow of time itself, thus all of time in the universe.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

more prove in time manipulation page

It says universal or higher, meaning it can be higher, but isn't always. This is probably referring to High Universal, which is shown on profiles like Kira and Dio, who have the ability to blow up an hour of time, and stop time respectively still don't have Low 2-C Range.

Even if you can stop time, that doesn't mean someone who exists hundred years in the future is also having their time stopped.

 

[Anzu_Hanashiro]

It says universal or higher, meaning it can be higher, but isn't always. This is probably referring to High Universal, which is shown on profiles like Kira and Dio, who have the ability to blow up an hour of time, and stop time respectively still don't have Low 2-C Range.

For example, Hakumen in Blazblue, he slashes time and by default slashes the past, present and future, so you deny that? obviously not only the default L2C time stop, but all the possibilities that can impact the entire time axis. "universal or higher" may be referring to the universe and all of time, not just the universe.

Even if you can stop time, that doesn't mean someone who exists hundred years in the future is also having their time stopped.

The future will not be able to drift if the thing that originated it does not exist or is stopped

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

For example, Hakumen in Blazblue, he slashes time and by default slashes the past, present and future, so you deny that? obviously not only the default L2C time stop, but all the possibilities that can impact the entire time axis. "universal or higher" may be referring to the universe and all of time, not just the universe.

Hakumen's profile is outdated and hasn't been properly updated since 2021, and standards have changed since then. Dio, Kira, are more up to date and provide the average assumption of abilities like time stop.

I'm not saying it's impossible to get Low 2-C through, Time Manipulation, however, it's not the default, and that was your question.

The future will not be able to drift if the thing that originated it does not exist or is stopped

The future already exists and is happening, unless the verse says otherwise. If you kill someone while time is stopped, the future will be them dead, because even if you stopped time in the present, the future still takes account for that kind of stuff.

 

[Anzu_Hanashiro]

I'm not saying it's impossible to get Low 2-C through, Time Manipulation, however, it's not the default, and that was your question.

What do you think about the time hax L2C range?

The future already exists and is happening, unless the verse says otherwise. If you kill someone while time is stopped, the future will be them dead, because even if you stopped time in the present, the future still takes account for that kind of stuff.

Regarding this example, you are simply dead in the present, so of course your future does not exist, what is difficult to understand? If you say you don't try the present but still have the past, it will be more reasonable.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

What do you think about the time hax L2C range?

What does that mean? It's possible, but not default.

Regarding this example, you are simply dead in the present, so of course your future does not exist, what is difficult to understand? If you say you don't try the present but still have the past, it will be more reasonable.

You can't die in the present, and not have a future. The future is a series of events, if the future does not exist, then there is no next step. Dying is a process, a series of events, that happens in the future.

If time is stopped, and someone is killed, the future will be them being dead, and the results of what happened in the time stop, shaping the future. Even stopping time, is a part of the future, the future has happened and is happening at the same time.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Low 2-C means affecting the entire timeline itself which contains uncountable infinite 3-D universes that represent each point in time. So no, Universal+ range is not the default range for Time Manipulation.