Tier 0

[Yobo_Blue]

What exactly constitutes tier 0? Many characters are considered infinite in a sense, but they are all 1-a. so is there a specific qualification necessary for tier 0 status?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

0: "True Infinity"

Beings that are boundlessly above absolutely everything, including existence and nonexistence, possibility, causality, dualism and non-dualism, the concepts of life and death, and their analogues at any level.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So, how dowe know if a character has met these terms?

 

[Antvasima]

It is hard to determine, and must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

 

[Antvasima]

However, such a character should at the very least be to a 1-A what a 1-A is to a tier 11.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So, in this specific profile, why is it Tier 0 even though it is not the "Top God" so to speak?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

What page? All Tier 0s are absolutely over anyone else in the verse.

 

[Warren_Valion]

What exactly constitutes tier 0? Many characters are considered infinite in a sense, but they are all 1-a. so is there a specific qualification necessary for tier 0 status?

This is why these characters are "Questionably Omnipotent".

 

[Yobo_Blue]

@Waffle This has "The Creator" as a topic.

@Vallon How can you tell if a character is "Questionably Omnipotent" ?

 

[Aeyu]

Tier 0 is a hierarchy thing, period. It's simply the highest level of power beyond dimensions which can be represented in a hierarchy. Meanwhile, High 1-A is *similar*, but not at the top of said hierarchy, having a caveat or something that prevents them from being the proverbial #1, which is what a tier 0 is, and why there can be only one of them.

"Questionably Omnipotent," is because omnipotence is a nebulous term, just like an "Omniverse," and cannot be verified either in the real world or in fiction due to both the philosophical quandaries it presents as well as logical inconsistencies and arguments (Aquinas' logical omnipotence vs Descartes' illogical kind, as well as there being many levels of characters throughout fiction and mythology who have been said to possess the power of "Omnipotence," but who have only been able to affect planetary or universal structures, etc.) so tier 0 is more logically represented as being "Boundless," than omnipotent.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

The Creator is Omnipotent. No one can become as powerful as him, nor is anyone as powerful as him. When someone steps through the boundary to the Creator, they get absorbed into the Creator.

 

[Antvasima]

Aeyu is correct.

Also, High 1-A characters either have some tiny limitation, an even higher character above them, or both in combination.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The Creator is Omnipotent. No one can become as powerful as him, nor is anyone as powerful as him. When someone steps through the boundary to the Creator, they get absorbed into the Creator.

But isn't that creator different from the one in the profile?

 

[Antvasima]

No, it is intended to be the same character. The Creator in Umineko basically seems to be the embodiment of Nirvana.

 

[Kepekley23]

Even Tier 0 characters aren't omnipotent, otherwise they would break into our reality and appear in other works of fiction without the consent of the writer. They are simply all-powerful in the context of the story. Basically, Tier 0s are just really, really, really, re~~ally high 1-As.

 

[ProspectX]

That's not "Omnipotence". Let us say that someone "created" this reality in which you exist in , including all possible or impossible infinite-dimensional beings and transcendental/metaphysical, but excluding all the other verses. That may be called God, or not. Writing a story from the outside is being a overseer of it, not god. You can't possibly get "inside" the story, no matter how detailed and perfectly you might revolve around it.

And thus the term omnipotence goes to the one who are the true above all, they are supreme. The Creator is supremely it's own supremacy, boundlessly above all definitions. The same with the other tier 0's. Also it's definitly not a "level" you can reach, since everything is just a manifestation of the boundless will. So tier 0 is one completly another thing. Not even a tier that is.

Why can't a boundless "break in"? Because a boundless doesnt need to, The Creator(from Umineko) , it itself is everything it has.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not think that this discussion will go anywhere further. We should probably close it.

 

[Kepekley23]

I agree.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.