Tier 0 Question (My Ediition)

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

So, question, I was looking into essentially what a Tier 0 is. One of the implications of being a Tier 0 is that it transcends/is beyond all opposites/distinctions, as well as any/all frameworks that create distinctions/opposites. But, to my understanding, wouldn't such a being inherently not be bound by logic in the way we understand it , and be capable of doing the logically impossible, since dualities/opposites such as 'can/cannot' do not limit the being in question ? I understand logic is the cornerstone of how we understand things, and I'm not undermining it, it just doesn't make sense to me that we're restricting a being to logic that it inherently would utterly transcend. If this is actually the case and I overlooked something critical do let me know. Thank you for your time.

 

[Berga14]

opposites/distinctions, as well as any/all frameworks that create distinctions/opposites.

A Tier 0 is above everything so this as well.

But, to my understanding, wouldn't such a being inherently not be bound by logic in the way we understand it , and be capable of doing the logically impossible, since dualities/opposites such as 'can/cannot' do not limit the being in question ?

Yep

I understand logic is the cornerstone of how we understand things, and I'm not undermining it, it just doesn't make sense to me that we're restricting a being to logic that it inherently would utterly transcend.

Well... tier 0 is still fiction

 

[Ultima_Reality]

In principle the sufficient condition for Tier 0 is transcending all possible contraries, not all contradictories, so it doesn't necessarily involve logical contradiction. It can if the verse wants it to, though, of course.

Granted, you can say the concept of Tier 0 can very easily lead to it transcending logic in a sense either way. If a verse has the laws of thought as three actual really distinct essences subsisting somewhere, as Forms or something of the like, it'd necessarily transcend them, of course.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

In principle the sufficient condition for Tier 0 is transcending all possible contraries, not all contradictories, so it doesn't necessarily involve logical contradiction. It can if the verse wants it to, though, of course.

Granted, you can say the concept of Tier 0 can very easily lead to it transcending logic in a sense either way. If a verse has the laws of thought as three actual really distinct essences subsisting somewhere, as Forms or something of the like, it'd necessarily transcend them, of course.

A simple yes or no would suffice. Kidding, yeah, assuming High 1-A+ embodies those logical mature to which a 0 transcends.

 

[Lordhesperus]

If an omnipotent being truly transcends or is beyond all logic, it raises questions about the nature of omnipotence: Can we meaningfully discuss an omnipotent being if we cannot apply logic to understand its actions or essence?.

Logic, in my opinion, is more an expression of the eternal nature and thought of God.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

In principle the sufficient condition for Tier 0 is transcending all possible contraries, not all contradictories, so it doesn't necessarily involve logical contradiction. It can if the verse wants it to, though, of course.

Granted, you can say the concept of Tier 0 can very easily lead to it transcending logic in a sense either way. If a verse has the laws of thought as three actual really distinct essences subsisting somewhere, as Forms or something of the like, it'd necessarily transcend them, of course.

Hm. So I guess it just depends on the verse to see if they have their Tier 0 transcend logic or not.

If an omnipotent being truly transcends or is beyond all logic, it raises questions about the nature of omnipotence: Can we meaningfully discuss an omnipotent being if we cannot apply logic to understand its actions or essence?.

Logic, in my opinion, is more an expression of the eternal nature and thought of God.

I mean that's definitely a fair assumption to make, and for most traditional depictions of Omnipotence/God you are right, but it just depends on how the Omnipotent being in question is described. If they are truly described as being beyond all possible distinctions, then by nature trying to define them under logic would be utterly impossible.