Tien Shinhan vs Frieza (GRACE)

[Vizer04]

Android Saga Tien and Namek Saga Frieza are used. Speed Equalized.

Tien Shinhan: 7 (@Gilad_Hyperstar, @GodlyCharmander, @StekFence, @Vizer04, @Popted2, @AceOfSpaces3709 and @thetechmaster36)

Frieza:

Inconclusive:

 

[Coolboy6]

Equalize speed or Frieza just oneshots before Tien could react.

 

[Vizer04]

Speed is equalized

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Freza stompss./

 

[Vizer04]

How

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Unlive lazer jj.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Speed is equalized

State so in the OP

 

[Vizer04]

Done

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Tien should take this more times than not, although Freeza has the natural skill to keep up with Goku who is a superior martial artist than Tien, so Tien can't do much to take him by surprise.

Tien can't hit Freeza with a Kikoho if he's too obvious with it, otherwise he will just dodge. The lack of an actual Ki Sensing ability on Freeza should give Tien an easier time, though, so maybe he can win with strategy.


"But can he use any strategy when any move from Freeza one shots him?", in Character, Freeza doesn't one shot people, he plays around with them.

What's the AP on each one (Freeza's, and Kikoho's, respectively)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

50% Frieza >= KK20 Goku = 20 * Base Goku >>>>>> First Form Frieza = 4.89 Tenatons

Tien is 5-B, while his Kikoho is >>> Android 16 apperantly

 

[Vizer04]

50% Frieza >= KK20 Goku = 20 * Base Goku >>>>>> First Form Frieza = 4.89 Tenatons

Tien is 5-B, while his Kikoho is >>> Android 16 apperantly

That's correct

 

[GodlyCharmander]

50% Frieza >= KK20 Goku = 20 * Base Goku >>>>>> First Form Frieza = 4.89 Tenatons

Tien is 5-B, while his Kikoho is >>> Android 16 apperantly

I see that. So it's >>>>> 97,89 Tenatons

vs

>>>>> 489,472522888 Tenatons. Not enough for a one shot, but pretty darn close.

 

[Vizer04]

So, Tien's Kikoho is more than twice stronger than Frieza. That difference is enough to one-shot in DB.

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

So, Tien's Kikoho is more than twice stronger than Frieza. That difference is enough to one-shot in DB.

Nah, there needs to more than a 7.5x difference to one-shot

 

[GodlyCharmander]

So, Tien's Kikoho is more than twice stronger than Frieza. That difference is enough to one-shot in DB.

This isn't a DB fanfic, so that doesn't apply. It's a 7.5x by our standards, which are the ones at play.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

This isn't a DB fanfic, so that doesn't apply. It's a 7.5x by our standards, which are the ones at play.

If the fights are on the same verse then we use the same standards as in the actual verse, otherwise everyone who can one shot each other will get a 7.5 times AP advantage over the other

The 7.5 times difference is only when characters from different verses are against each other.

Tien's Kikoho will vaporize Frieza in an instant if it hits

 

[GodlyCharmander]

If the fights are on the same verse then we use the same standards as in the actual verse, otherwise everyone who can one shot each other will get a 7.5 times AP advantage over the other.

Now, is that an actual rule, or are you just stating your wishes?

 

[Vizer04]

Now, is that an actual rule, or are you just stating your wishes?

That's how it's always been but i don't think it's a written rule.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

That's how it's always been but i don't think it's a written rule.

If it's not a written rule, then that's a no-go. Doesn't matter if it's been done 300 times, it has been incorrect 300 times.

If it is an actual rule, then I concede, and have further reason to vote for Tien.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It is actually said in the rules. The actual gaps between one shots in different verses varies so the 7.5 times gap is used only for versus debating purposes. However, when two characters from the same verse fight each other, the rules that are used are those that apply for the verse rather than our versus debating gaps.

So if character A one shots character B canonically, then in a versus match between them character A will still one shot character B

 

[Vizer04]

Vegeta one-shotted A19, who scales above Frieza:

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Do Android 19 and 20 even scale to Frieza? They were helpless against both Goku and Vegeta and 19 only defeated Goku because he was sick the entire time and his condition worsened when he used SSJ

 

[StekFence]

So both can one shot, but tien has the ability to sense. Leaning tien

 

[StekFence]

If it's not a written rule, then that's a no-go. Doesn't matter if it's been done 300 times, it has been incorrect 300 times.

If it is an actual rule, then I concede, and have further reason to vote for Tien.

I mean, if Android 16 could one shot frieza(which im reasonably sure is the truth, considering he’s >>>trunks who casually destroyed mecha frieza) then tien could.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I mean, if Android 16 could one shot frieza(which im reasonably sure is the truth, considering he’s >>>trunks who casually destroyed mecha frieza) then tien could.

That's not how that goes.

 

[StekFence]

Uh, why not

 

[StekFence]

I’m about to get owned

 

[GodlyCharmander]

It is actually said in the rules. The actual gaps between one shots in different verses varies so the 7.5 times gap is used only for versus debating purposes. However, when two characters from the same verse fight each other, the rules that are used are those that apply for the verse rather than our versus debating gaps.

So if character A one shots character B canonically, then in a versus match between them character A will still one shot character B

It doesn't.
If you're talking about

• This gap is strictly for versus debating purposes, and will not apply when attempting to derive the attack potency of a character based on a feat of one-shotting another character in his or her verse.

That just says you cannot multiply one's Attack Potency by 7.5x based on a in-verse one shot.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I’m about to get owned

Nah, it's just that we've never seen 16 being able to one shot any Freeza-level opponent (I believe)
if your statement was correct, then it would be the case.

Vegeta one-shotted A19, who scales above Frieza:

• Toys with him
• Beats him down
• Rips out his hands
• Uses a charged attack

"one shot".

 

[StekFence]

if your statement was correct, then it would be the case.

But trunks literally slapped mecha, who’s > freiza

 

[StekFence]

And 16 slaps that trunks

 

[GodlyCharmander]

But trunks literally slapped mecha, who’s > freiza

Forgot about that. Fair enough then.

 

[Vizer04]

Nah, it's just that we've never seen 16 being able to one shot any Freeza-level opponent (I believe)
if your statement was correct, then it would be the case.

• Toys with him
• Beats him down
• Rips out his hands
• Uses a charged attack

"one shot".

You want other example? Android 17 one-shots Trunks:

 

[Vizer04]

Tien Shinhan FRA

 

[StekFence]

Ngl, seeing a ally Ssj get slapped must be terrifying.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

You want other example? Android 17 one-shots Trunks:

Gotcha.
Tien's Shin Kikoho scales above a character who can one shot a ~200 Tenatons character, Freeza gets curbstomped.

 

[StekFence]

Tien fra

 

[Vizer04]

Ngl, seeing a ally Ssj get slapped must be terrifying.

It really is terrifying

 

[Vizer04]

Gotcha.
Tien's Shin Kikoho scales above a character who can one shot a ~200 Tenatons character, Freeza gets curbstomped.

It's technically not a stomp though, Frieza can also one-shot

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Ngl, seeing a ally Ssj get slapped must be terrifying.

Abridged Trunks: Tries to cut 18 with his sword
Abridged Krillin: "It's okay guys, that thing cut Freeza in ha---"
Sword breaks on 18's arm
Abridged Krillin: "...OoOh NoOoO"