Thor Odinson Challenges the Witch of Eternal Frost (MCU vs ReZero) [0-7-0] [Grace]

[SatellaTheWoE]

Random matchup that i thought might work

Thor (pre awakening key)

vs
Emilia (Arc 8): @noninho @Deadguy999 @VortechsTG @SatellaTheWoE @BoastJr @AThe1412 @Gigi_4_life

Starting distance is 30m
both are tier 7A
speed is equalized
rest is SBA

 

[Deidalius]

Looking at Julius' plentiful abilities, he seems like he would win.

What is the AP gap?

What can Julius do to resist his attacks being reflected back at him?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Looking at Julius' plentiful abilities, he seems like he would win.

What is the AP gap?

Julius scales to 200 smth and thor scales to 348 smth
Julius is stomp gaps above the value however and even has some dura negating abilities along with buffs and debuffs

What can Julius do to resist his attacks being reflected back at him?

generally he would probably dodge them but would thor even be able to reflect a dura negating attack back at him?

Like on the profile it says mjolnir has it because of reflecting ultrons beam which are just heated rays of light and not multi haxed dura negating beams

 

[Deidalius]

Julius scales to 200 smth and thor scales to 348 smth
Julius is stomp gaps above the value however and even has some dura negating abilities along with buffs and debuffs

generally he would probably dodge them but would thor even be able to reflect a dura negating attack back at him?

Like on the profile it says mjolnir has it because of reflecting ultrons beam which are just heated rays of light and not multi haxed dura negating beams

Fair, I don't think Thor could reflect the beams

Does the AP gap mean Thor can one shot Julius? Because it seems he's like 148 something stronger

I could see Thor one shotting if they fought on close quarters or Julius tried to tank a hit

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Fair, I don't think Thor could reflect the beams

Does the AP gap mean Thor can one shot Julius? Because it seems he's like 148 something stronger

I could see Thor one shotting if they fought on close quarters or Julius tried to tank a hit

1.48 times stronger isnt much especially because Julius is basically one shot higher than his actual value (this is a lowball too)

 

[Deidalius]

1.48 times stronger isnt much especially because Julius is basically one shot higher than his actual value (this is a lowball too)

In that case I don't see how Thor would win

Unless he can fly and Julius cant

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

In that case I don't see how Thor would win

Unless he can fly and Julius cant

oh yeah Julius cant fly but he did tag Balleroy who could

 

[VortechsTG]

Satella try to make a fair matchup challenge: impossible difficulty.

 

[Deidalius]

I'm trying to find a wincon for Thor but he seems too haxless and weak to do anything

 

[VortechsTG]

As if the hax difference wasn't enough, one of Julius' main trump cards is being able to amp to hundreds of times his base stats. Assuming this is arc 3 Julius he can only amp to that extent defensively to block attacks, but he still has a general amp that's probably like 1.5-2x.

 

[Deidalius]

Yeah, close this

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

As if the hax difference wasn't enough, one of Julius' main trump cards is being able to amp to hundreds of times his base stats. Assuming this is arc 3 Julius he can only amp to that extent defensively to block attacks, but he still has a general amp that's probably like 1.5-2x.

yeah i need to change julius or add another character with thor

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

updated matchup so now its Emilia vs Thor....

 

[Deadguy999]

Oh so the opponent changed I was so confused by the “He” and “Julius” bruh

 

[Deidalius]

Hmm now this one is closer

How skillful is Emilia compared to Thor?

 

[VortechsTG]

Hmm now this one is closer

How skillful is Emilia compared to Thor?

She probably has significantly better feats. At the very least this one shouldn't be a stomp but I have to imagine it'll be a skill + precog diff. It would be good to see a counterargument.

 

[Deidalius]

Thor can fly

 

[VortechsTG]

Thor can fly

She has fought multiple dragons.

 

[VortechsTG]

And I don't mean to imply that Thor's flight is useless but she frequently uses her ice constructs to throw herself through the air. It's effectively pseudo-flight. Not to mention her range is dozens of kilometers anyway.

 

[Deidalius]

Hmmm yeah this is closer but I see Remilia outskilling Thor

I am pretty sure MCU Thor isn't that skilled

 

[noninho]

Satella try to make a fair matchup challenge: impossible difficulty.

Satella is a cool person but i always remember the 4 times we discussed ReinhAinz lmfao

Anyway, now that the match changed, I also think Thor ain't skilled enough to face Satella

What about de-powered Thor (9-A) vs Subaru — who gets the Hammer first wins (cuz Subaru is DEFINETELY worthy)?

 

[VortechsTG]

What about de-powered Thor (9-A) vs Subaru — who gets the Hammer first wins (cuz Subaru is DEFINETELY worthy)?

The hammer requires a wielder see killing as a last resort but still be willing to kill if necessary. Subaru is definitely not willing enough. I'm pretty sure depowered Thor wouldn't be able to use the hammer either. That's kinda the whole point of him being depowered. The matchup could work though.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Satella is a cool person but i always remember the 4 times we discussed ReinhAinz lmfao

fun fact: the only reason i am not making the 5th one because Reinhard now stomps Ainz unless he stops time and ***** off which isnt exactly a fight

Anyway, now that the match changed, I also think Thor ain't skilled enough to face Satella

What about de-powered Thor (9-A) vs Subaru — who gets the Hammer first wins (cuz Subaru is DEFINETELY worthy)?

Subaru should win because of being more skilled i think? Plus he has ESP and a load of other stuff along with his whip, and he even beat Ayanokouji when his profile didnt show as much of his skill as it does now (kouji had the AP advantage too)
I guess it would count since depowered thor will probably just knock him out but Subaru not only would win usually but also has his SI so that is an almost stomp imo

 

[noninho]

fun fact: the only reason i am not making the 5th one because Reinhard now stomps Ainz unless he stops time and ***** off which isnt exactly a fight

My guy didn't notice that this is the exact scenario from previously...in the 4 threads lmfao

About the Subaru one: I think it's valid to try getting this W to him, your call. If you decide so, call me to argue there in favor to his sorry ass

 

[Deadguy999]

Hmmm yeah this is closer but I see Remilia outskilling Thor

I am pretty sure MCU Thor isn't that skilled

No MCU Thor is actually really skilled he took down a squad of Shield agent without his powers. Those agents are like the best of the best. He is also considered a good match by Hawkeye who is one of the most skilled fighter on earth

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

No MCU Thor is actually really skilled he took down a squad of Shield agent without his powers. Those agents are like the best of the best. He is also considered a good match by Hawkeye who is one of the most skilled fighter on earth

doesnt help his case at all since that doesnt tell us anything about his skill scaling

Reminder that a "skilled fighter" in one verse might be seen as low tier fodder in another (for eg a low mid tier in ReZero just based on skill alone would be in the upper echelons of db or jjk)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

My guy didn't notice that this is the exact scenario from previously...in the 4 threads lmfao

About the Subaru one: I think it's valid to try getting this W to him, your call. If you decide so, call me to argue there in favor to his sorry ass

yk what this would be funny to see...i might do this


Also can I count your vote for Emilia then?

 

[Deidalius]

No MCU Thor is actually really skilled he took down a squad of Shield agent without his powers. Those agents are like the best of the best. He is also considered a good match by Hawkeye who is one of the most skilled fighter on earth

Did Hakweye said that when he was without powers?

 

[BoastJr]

Snip

Not that it is impossible but I do not think emilia can reach Thor's altitude unless the distance is minimal from the start. This isn't inherently useful because thor isn't going to abuse it anyways.

How Good is emilia's eyesight ? Can it extend to over 4 kilometres and what would she start with ?

There is 4 kilometres worth of distance and thor would have a travel speed advantage or mobility if you will

I am not sure if emilia will try to snipe Thor from 4 kilometre away but that is the only few advantages he even has here (emilia should have better reaction and combat speed)

 

[VortechsTG]

Reminder that a "skilled fighter" in one verse might be seen as low tier fodder in another (for eg a low mid tier in ReZero just based on skill alone would be in the upper echelons of db or jjk)

Why are Dragon Ball and JJK being mentioned in the same sentence?

 

[VortechsTG]

Snip

I get what you're implying but it goes both ways. Thor can't really effectively fight her from 4 kilometers away either. I don't believe he has ever even done that and there's a good reason.

 

[VortechsTG]

Subaru should win because of being more skilled i think? Plus he has ESP and a load of other stuff along with his whip, and he even beat Ayanokouji when his profile didnt show as much of his skill as it does now (kouji had the AP advantage too)
I guess it would count since depowered thor will probably just knock him out but Subaru not only would win usually but also has his SI so that is an almost stomp imo

Subaru being more skilled seems like a bit of a stretch but he should be a lot more acrobatic/mobile. With that and his hax I see him taking it too.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Why are Dragon Ball and JJK being mentioned in the same sentence?

AP, hax and DC is clearly unrelated to skill

 

[VortechsTG]

AP, hax and DC is clearly unrelated to skill

You don't know shit about Dragon Ball do you?

 

[BoastJr]

Thor doesn't have much ranged options other then lightning, tossing his hammer and shockwaves along with weather manip (I do not know if he can use this offensively so exclude this bit). Not really an advantage knowing how he fight up close and comfortable but other then that..

Thor so far has the intelligence, experience, mobility and the Good ol LS advantage. The weapon control "via his mind" seems interesting since he could in theory try to use it at a distance or distract emilia with it however..

Emilia has more firepower (Danmaku), Barusu clones (essentially ice soldiers) and instinctive reaction along with higher skill.

The ice made clone soldiers would be troublesome to deal with on thor's end and he would struggle dealing with emilia's ice danmaku and higher skill

It doesn't help that Emilia can also change and mix her fighting style with various weaponry.

Hmmm not much else to discuss from the looks of it unless someone else cares to elaborate on thor's end

 

[Deadguy999]

Thor has resistance to extreme temperature tho

 

[BoastJr]

Thor has resistance to extreme temperature tho

That is true but the AP portions of her attacks will hurt Thor the most

Emilia does not have the stat advantage in attack / defense but she can fire multiple of those attacks. It is going to deplete thor's health pool fast since her attacks are very accurate and hard to dodge.

Unrelated to your post but hmmm

The Ice Clones could be dealt with if Thor uses some good AoE attacks but not sure what he has besides shockwaves and lightning.

Thor can use LS to restrain emilia if he gets her into a lock theoretically

 

[Deadguy999]

The Ice Clones could be dealt with if Thor uses some good AoE attacks but not sure what he has besides shockwaves and lightning.

Thor is good at dealing with hordes of enemies just watch how he dealt with Surtur’s army at the beginning of Thor 3

 

[noninho]

yk what this would be funny to see...i might do this


Also can I count your vote for Emilia then?

If Satella ain't stomping
Give me one fair Thor wincon and I vote her lol

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

If Satella ain't stomping
Give me one fair Thor wincon and I vote her lol

I mean this will be a cqc match so there is a good chance things don't go Emilia's way and she gets struck by lightning which may cause her nerves to fry up (albeit unlikely it is still possible)

LS diff is also a pretty good possibility

Otherwise Thor could maybe outsmart her in some way since he has higher biq
These are just some ways he could win from the top off my head, a matchup this close will never be a stomp