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"god slaying powers" =/= existence erasure.
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This might worth taking a shot: BB vs Devilman
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If he destroys them in such a way that their existence is completely impossible then what it?
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A form of resurrection negation.
And that scan says nothing about making their existences completely impossible.
And that scan says nothing about making their existences completely impossible.
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Later in the story, Hades was not able to revive anyone of them again, so it is impossible.
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Yeah, Persophone is completely commatosed because she doesn't have any soul, will, etc for her new body.
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So it's soul destruction then
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Bump
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So... BB in the future sees him transmuting / absorbing therefore BB in the present also sees him doing that, BB in the present says "nope", goes to Imaginary Space where time does not exist so she has unlimited time to do whatever she wants, and then comes back packing laws of reality rejecting his powers and existence and a CCC to the face.
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Is that a vote? Also how can one see Acausal's attacks from the future? Acausals don't have futures to see through, right?
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Acausal is being unaffected by cause and effect. It doesn't stop precog, nor does it stop someone seeing him in the future and then "telling" their past self what he's planing on doing.
As I said, to BB and her higher dimensional perspective, everything he's done, everything he is doing, and everything he is going to do, are all happening at the same time. It's not simply seeing the future, it's being there for it, then "telling" the "present" self what is going on.
Hang on, I'll see if I can find the quote for it.
As I said, to BB and her higher dimensional perspective, everything he's done, everything he is doing, and everything he is going to do, are all happening at the same time. It's not simply seeing the future, it's being there for it, then "telling" the "present" self what is going on.
Hang on, I'll see if I can find the quote for it.
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I kinda saw that quote so no need. Also isn't that why Fate Manipulation won't work on Acausal at all? They are separated from their past and future selves if I remember correctly. Yeah, she can just see the dimension in a flat perspective, sure, but Amon is in the present. Besides, everytime he time travels, he kinda can't see his self from the past. Sirene can't just turn back in time to save his love either despite having TT just like him.
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He may be separated from them in the sense that he isn't bound to do what they are, but he can still be predicted.
If she sees him doing anything in the future that could auto kill her, regardless of whether or not his present self is going to do that (which it still could, just because he's acausal doesn't mean he won't do what she sees his future self do. And its his future self of about 2 seconds in the future - there's not much time for any divergence from what she sees to happen. Assuming his future self does something that will kill her, which is probably will because you say transmutation is his in-character first move, then even if he chooses to do something different, she'll still be in imaginary space.
If she sees him doing anything in the future that could auto kill her, regardless of whether or not his present self is going to do that (which it still could, just because he's acausal doesn't mean he won't do what she sees his future self do. And its his future self of about 2 seconds in the future - there's not much time for any divergence from what she sees to happen. Assuming his future self does something that will kill her, which is probably will because you say transmutation is his in-character first move, then even if he chooses to do something different, she'll still be in imaginary space.
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Why not just slap him with Law Manipulation?
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Hmm, well that's tricky. But assuming she can't read minds which Amon resists, she'll just see Amon standing around until she sees part of her body melt into formless mass. Even if she sees her future self dying and shit and go into imaginary space, transmutation still won't stop until she melts completely. This guy went to another guy's consciousness yet it still continued.
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Because she can die before that.ThisIsMySwagPack said:
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Before a thought-based ability?
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Transmutation is also a thought based ability. And she'll probably use Pontia Theron first. Then she fails.
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The only part of Potnia Theron that wouldn't work on him would be the passive "you're earth-born therefore everything you try to do to me never happened" part. Everything else is not suddenly useless against non-earth-born life.
Also, she could theoretically alter her own data to overcome tranmutation if it takes time. Just rewrite herself back. Or activate Hill of One and make the transmutation have never happened.
Also, she could theoretically alter her own data to overcome tranmutation if it takes time. Just rewrite herself back. Or activate Hill of One and make the transmutation have never happened.
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I mean, time it takes is really quick. Like he made a significant portion of the country into a formless mass in few seconds or so. I doubt it even takes a second to turn her into that.
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Bump and upgrade happened and that Precog now legit won't work anymore. Probably.
He exists in single point in time, consistently shown to need travel within time to contact him from past or future. In Shin Devilman and Cyborg 009, he's shown to have neither past nor his future selves. BB will just see one Amon, without anyone in future or the past.
Also he's kinda Mid-Godly, Acausal, Abstract, type 8 now.
He exists in single point in time, consistently shown to need travel within time to contact him from past or future. In Shin Devilman and Cyborg 009, he's shown to have neither past nor his future selves. BB will just see one Amon, without anyone in future or the past.
Also he's kinda Mid-Godly, Acausal, Abstract, type 8 now.
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Boi
How good's the mid-godly then?
And what's the type 8?
How good's the mid-godly then?
And what's the type 8?
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As good as coming back from EE from the big G.O.D. himself. Probably regular one.
As long as idea of Amon still exists, he won't die.
As long as idea of Amon still exists, he won't die.
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Doesn't that just mean BB of present can let BB of past know what's up :thinking:
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I mean, she can still kill with CCC. It's Conceptual Erasure and all. But I don't think law can work now, at least the laws Monarch and Swag said because God denied them from reality yet they're still alive.
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If god used law manip yes, if it was just EE no
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Actually BB's law manip is stronger than Melilith's, it isn't just "baseline" law manip. How good is god's, if he actually has it?
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It's kinda ambiguous since up until they became imaginary, they consistently kicked out of the reality so I don't know but for the sake of this thread, let's just say it still works.
I personally think this is incon since this is basically who affects first kind of fight. Either Transmutation or Pontia Theron. I can't vote though.
I personally think this is incon since this is basically who affects first kind of fight. Either Transmutation or Pontia Theron. I can't vote though.
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I'm pretty sure in the case of God it's EE. Since nothing really suggests he fiddled with laws like "no demon shall live here and that's final" it was a lot more like "BE GONE ****" And if he can't keep them down he has a habit of locking them away iirc so that's BFR right there
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Given the new circumstances, it's probably a victory for Devilman, with medium difficulty.
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I think the past votes are debunked so let's start counting from here. 1 for Amon.
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Inconclusive then
It's who shoots first, and the only peope she's ever fought who might have also lacked a future for her to see were the 5-A playable servants, and she tried everything she could against them.
It's who shoots first, and the only peope she's ever fought who might have also lacked a future for her to see were the 5-A playable servants, and she tried everything she could against them.
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1 for Amon, 1 for incon.
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He doesn't counter Law. It's just that who hits first kind of fight now.John985 said:
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Her law manip is just "X is now an undeniable law of reality" where X = "my opponent cannot exist", "my opponent cannot harm me" etc.
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Not that they resist it, I just used some evidence that they recovered from being denied.
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Speed equalized. Precognition Won't work. She'll get transmutated before she'll go to Imaginary space.Hizack123 said:
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