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This is probably Oracle's hardest match

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What this entails is mind manipulation,he is able to share his visions with others,which drives them to insanity,this won't work on yhwach as he sees infinite possibilities already,yhwach and oracle affects the multiverse similarly,i still don't see why oracle is greater.


Also Mimihagi grants him resistance to this exact ability.

What exactly makes you think Yhwach can see infinite possibilities? As far as I know, he can only see countless possibilities like grains of sand and there's no indications that he can see infinite possibilities.
 
To truly kill Oracle, you must kill him in all universes, and there is an infinite amount of them. Yhwach has never shown the ability to travel to different universes. Thus he can't reach out to the other ones who are plotting to one shot him. 2-A AP>5-C durability. You should read the Tiering System page and you'll see.
 
@shooting

Countless,infinite potaeto,potato.....do I need to bring a dictionary definition of infinite,or what are you suggesting..

Well yhwach also supported said line with several Statement like nothing escapes his sight and so on..
 
Xtasyamphetamine said:
To truly kill Oracle, you must kill him in all universes, and there is an infinite amount of them. Yhwach has never shown the ability to travel to different universes. Thus he can't reach out to the other ones who are plotting to one shot him. 2-A AP>5-C durability. You should read the Tiering System page and you'll see.
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Huh what exactly is the 2-A attack here,does he shoot a 2-A laser beam from his eyes, that maybe travels across the multiverse..


From the looks of it neither yhwach or oracle can travel across the multiverse,they just get visions from it and manipulate their own universe with fate manipulation.
 
Thats true but Yhwach doesn't try to fight Oracle in all infinite alternate multiverse, so he doesn't really need kill him in all alternate multiverse, Yhwach just need kill him in this timeline and it will be enough since Oracle does not seem to care if his other selves dies.
 
MachTwo said:
Thats true but Yhwach doesn't try to fight Oracle in all infinite alternate multiverse, so he doesn't really need kill him in all alternate multiverse, Yhwach just need kill him in this timeline and it will be enough since Oracle does not seem to care if his other selves dies.
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It's not enough. Oracle is still alive and he is going to do something about it. He even enlisted some help with Phantom Assassin in killing his would-be murderers.
 
Zzsax said:
@shooting

Countless,infinite potaeto,potato.....do I need to bring a dictionary definition of infinite,or what are you suggesting..

Well yhwach also supported said line with several Statement like nothing escapes his sight and so on..
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Countless =/= infinite. Countless means the numbers are so great that it can't be counted but it's still finite. Infinite means the numbers has no end and thus cannot be counted in any ways at all.

If nothing can ever escape his sight, he wouldn't be fooled by Aizen's illusion or get shot by the arrow that nullified his abilities as he would've long forsaw them , even though that's exactly what happen to him and then lead to his demise.
 
Zzsax said:
Xtasyamphetamine said:
To truly kill Oracle, you must kill him in all universes, and there is an infinite amount of them. Yhwach has never shown the ability to travel to different universes. Thus he can't reach out to the other ones who are plotting to one shot him. 2-A AP>5-C durability. You should read the Tiering System page and you'll see.
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Huh what exactly is the 2-A attack here,does he shoot a 2-A laser beam from his eyes, that maybe travels across the multiverse..


From the looks of it neither yhwach or oracle can travel across the multiverse,they just get visions from it and manipulate their own universe with fate manipulation.
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"Long before the repercussions had played out, however, Cymurri's wary Advisors had seized Nerif, bound and gagged him, and launched him out of their universe at high speed on a dimensional barque, in the hopes of depositing him where he could do them no harm forever. It was, of course, too late for them. And may well be for us."

He escaped. He is capable of multiversal travel.
 
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It's not enough. Oracle is still alive and he is going to do something about it. He even enlisted some help with Phantom Assassin in killing his would-be murderers.
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Yes, he will learn from the death of his alternate self If he meet with Yhwach again in alternate timelines, problem is this version of Yhwach in this universe will still win via killing this version of Oracle. His version in another timelines doesn't seems to care if his alternate self dies in this timeline, he will learn from his mistake yes but that's about it.
 
Countless =/= infinite. Countless means the numbers are so great that it can't be counted but it's still finite. Infinite means the numbers has no end and thus cannot be counted in any ways at all.

If nothing can ever escape his sight, he wouldn't be fooled by Aizen's illusion or get shot by the arrow that nullified his abilities as he would've long forsaw them , even though that's exactly what happen to him and then lead to his demise.

OK you seem to be contradicting yourself...infinite means "cannot be counted" ergo countless...these words where translated from Japanese.

Moreover like I said before it was backed up by other statement throughout the series.

Perhaps most notably When Jugram borrowed Almighty,he couldn't use it to its fullest potential and some of ishida actions escaped his sight...Ishida seemed content that Almighty had a weakness and couldn't see all futures, so they had a chance...Jugram shocked ishida and said that yhwach DOESNT HAVE THAT TYPE OF WEAKNESS.


About Aizen he is a God tier of the verse who specializes in mindhax, it's not that yhwach couldn't see Aizen,it was that Aizen KS could affect the almighty visions.

About the arrow,i don't need to tell you that,it was PIS and there may also be the fact that ishida's schrift also affects almighty like KS, as noted by Jugram
 
Obviously, this Oracle in this universe dies. But another Oracle in another universe within infinite universes will plot to kill Yhwach with 2-A precog, fate and causality manipulation that utterly destroys Yhwach's 6-A Mimihagi.
 
Weekly said above that Fortune's End could stop the passive Reiatsu Crush has it is able to stop auras through Power Nullifcation. A couple things wrong with this though:

1) Fortune's End isn't passive and not on at the start of the fight as it needs to be activated:

Gathers Oracle's power into a bolt of scouring energy that, when released, damages, roots, and purges enemies of buffs in an area around the target. If target is an ally it will only purge. Can be channeled for up to 2.5 seconds. The root duration is equal to the time spent channeling.

2) Yhwach has resistance to Power Nullifcation and has his own Power Nullifcation.


@Xtasyamphetamine

That's a different Oracle all together; however, how does this different Oracle attack Yhwach from another universe?
 
Yeah but that's another fight in another timeline. Yhwach win in this fight because Oracle in another timeline doesn't seems to care that this version of himself has died, he learning from his mistake here and that's it.
 
MachTwo said:
Yeah but that's another fight in another timeline. Yhwach win in this fight because Oracle in another timeline doesn't seems to care that this version of himself has died, he learning about his misktake here and thats it.
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I am going to bloodlust Oracle so that he won't be not concerned about his death. Thanks.
 
This isn't spite. You can change battle conditions anytime before grace period.

Bloodlust means that the character cares about nothing except killing his/her enemy. PIS, weaknesses like arrogance or anything that impedes them from killing is removed by bloodlust.
 
@IMadeThisOn8-1-2017

He uses his causality manipulation to change the effect of any action Yhwach makes. A mere breath will result in him exploding in a supernova that deletes every concept of him existing

Power Nullification doesn't matter anyway. 2-A causality manipulation will kill Yhwach.
 
I can bloodlust Yhwach if you want, but Yhwach is willing to kill in character. So I don't think bloodlust will have any changes on Yhwach
 
Ye, he will deff kill Yhwach in another timeline but not in this timeline.

Plus here is the problem: You say Yhwach need to kill Oracle in all 2-A multiverse when you also say Yhwach only has planetary range with his fate hax, and you also say Oracle can one shot via 2-A hax

Se the problem in here? in short you just want Oracle to win, really.
 
Xtasyamphetamine said:
Obviously, this Oracle in this universe dies. But another Oracle in another universe within infinite universes will plot to kill Yhwach with 2-A precog, fate and causality manipulation that utterly destroys Yhwach's 6-A Mimihagi.
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How do you kill someone with 2-A precog?????its not like he has 2-A existence erasure.oracle striking strength and durability is totally lacking.if not for his fate and causality manipulation hax,which seems to be only defensive...Yhwach could literally pick up a stick and beat him to death
 
MachTwo said:
Ye, he will deff kill Yhwach in another timeline but not in this timeline.
Plus here is the problem: You say Yhwach need to kill Oracle in all 2-A multiverse when you also say Yhwach only has planetary range with his fate hax, and you also say Oracle can one shot via 2-A hax

Se the problem in here? in short you just want Oracle to win, really.
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Why will Oracle not kill Yhwach in a timeline he died in?

Also I lack sleep, so I might make mistakes alright? Anyways, this is a stomp in favor of Oracle. Someone close this.
 
@xtasy

OK,lol there is no multiverse,where this is a stomp in favour of oracle.i think sleep deprivation effects are kicking in
 
@xtasy

He uses his causality manipulation to change the effect of any action Yhwach makes. A mere breath will result in him exploding in a supernova that deletes every concept of him existing

OK feats of this ever happening,thats not how his causality manipulation works and no mention of this on his profile
 
That's what causality manipulation does. No need for feats to show that it's real.

"This allows one to achieve virtually anything by redirecting the selected cause to the desired effect. A finger snap which normally causes sound and kinetic force could instead cause a sun explosion or a massive resurrection. The user could also instantly erase anything from existence, by making its existence the cause of it's own nonexistence. Another possibility is the instant rewriting of a whole reality, by making Reality X (the current reality) the cause of Reality Y (a tailor-made one)."
 
This Thread:

  • Oracle dies or is pin to the ground without been able to move thanks to Yhwach's reiatsu. (Until he levels his power to Multiverse level)
  • Yhwach could kill this Oracle's versión.
  • Why would the Oracle from another timeline care to fight?
  • How would another Oracle attack Yhwach from that far away when he is not even in the fight?
  • That's like assuming Oracle Will need to kill all Yhwach's from all timelines in Bleach since the future in Bleachverse was said to not be linear.
  • Yhwach has powernull for powernull that already affected him and negated his powers.
  • Oracle is Bloodlusted so he can One-Shot.
 
This seemed heavily biased and with ill-intent with how you heavily argued for one side and made changes for that side to win.

What even was the 2-A casuality manipulation? There is no description in his profile about Prophesies or how it functions as there is no description for it. His other 4 abilities in his profile would be useless per description and the stated weakness of False Promise. And only Prophesis and his Pre-Cog have multiversal range listed on his profile, the rest are several meters.
 
Xtasyamphetamine said:
That's what causality manipulation does. No need for feats to show that it's real.

"This allows one to achieve virtually anything by redirecting the selected cause to the desired effect. A finger snap which normally causes sound and kinetic force could instead cause a sun explosion or a massive resurrection. The user could also instantly erase anything from existence, by making its existence the cause of it's own nonexistence. Another possibility is the instant rewriting of a whole reality, by making Reality X (the current reality) the cause of Reality Y (a tailor-made one)."
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Lol no need for feats,not everyone causality manipulation works the same way,the same goes for lightning and fire manipulation...Oracle can't do anything close to what you are describing..OK I am gonna stop now..

Quit calling this a stomp..Oracle didn't have a single attack that even even worked .and suddenly it's a stomp in his favour..LOL
 
Can you tell me how biased I was? I made this thread because someone in an old thread wanted Oracle vs Yhwach and I know nothing about Yhwach. Thanks.
 
Yhwach pins Oracle to the ground as soon as the battle starts from passive Reiatsu, and one-shots with one finger before he can even move to do something. (Is in character for Yhwach to do this.)

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