Theresia vs Elaine (5-7-0)

[Fezzih_007]

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[Godsatoshi23]

An interesting match up. I think Elaine has a slight higher chance of winning because of her teleportation, I am not sure if Theresia can land an attack on her.

 

[Fezzih_007]

An interesting match up. I think Elaine has a slight higher chance of winning because of her teleportation, I am not sure if Theresia can land an attack on her.

Well, Theresia can attack from a distance but she don't do It in character. Anyway, can i count you vote?

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Well, Theresia can attack from a distance but she don't do It in character. Anyway, can i count you vote?

Yeah.

 

[Reiner04]

Both looks hot but I'd rather go with green eye. She looks my type. Karma fra.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Theresia upscales to Ram who could dodge a characer anywhere from 65-135x her speed with skill alone, the difference between them is to to the point that even training for eternity wouldnt get her on the same level. I would say the skill difference is too major, Wilhelms bride fra

 

[Fezzih_007]

Theresia upscales to Ram who could dodge a characer anywhere from 65-135x her speed with skill alone, the difference between them is to to the point that even training for eternity wouldnt get her on the same level. I would say the skill difference is too major, Wilhelms bride fra

I mean, Baam is more skilled than Theresia and Elaine as able to get three strikes on him, being more skilled not gonna help that much her against a opponent with a unique set of abilities like Elaine.
Would probally help a little, but not so much.

 

[Lynieryz]

And Kaiser is the type of character that wants to end the fight as soon as it starts that combined with the fact that she won't sense any Shinsoo on the enemy guarantees that she will start with the paralysis.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Not really sense It, but she gonna see that Theresia is not using Shinsu, and probally try to use Mater Manipulation.
Btw, are you voting?

 

[Lynieryz]

Not really sense It, but she gonna see that Theresia is not using Shinsu, and probally try to use Mater Manipulation.
Btw, are you voting?

Well... she will sense the lack of Shinsoo in her body.

I won't vote because maybe it could be a stomp.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Well... she will sense the lack of Shinsoo in her body.

I won't vote because maybe it could be a stomp.

Can she sense If a opponent have Shinsu on they body trought? I don't remember she doing It, she probally gonna assume Theresia have It, or that she is hiding.

And is not a stomp, because both have Wincons that they can achive.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Theresia upscales to Ram who could dodge a characer anywhere from 65-135x her speed with skill alone, the difference between them is to to the point that even training for eternity wouldnt get her on the same level. I would say the skill difference is too major, Wilhelms bride fra

Well, i gonna count you vote, but because you said Fra, not because of the skill part.

 

[Phoenks]

Yeah not seeing the victory for Elaine here Theresia is laughably more skilled and can one-shot extremely easily.

Teleportation is really not an issue. Don't see why Theresia couldn't predict that with her BS precog via death line shit.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Yeah not seeing the victory for Elaine here Theresia is laughably more skilled and can one-shot extremely easily.

Teleportation is really not an issue. Don't see why Theresia couldn't predict that with her BS precog via death line shit.

Well, she have wincons but okay.

Did she ever predict telerportion?

 

[VortechsTG]

Yeah not seeing the victory for Elaine here Theresia is laughably more skilled and can one-shot extremely easily.

Teleportation is really not an issue. Don't see why Theresia couldn't predict that with her BS precog via death line shit.

I agree with this but I'm seeing conflicting information about the matter manipulation that could sway it VERY heavily.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I agree with this but I'm seeing conflicting information about the matter manipulation that could sway it VERY heavily.

What conflicting information?

 

[VortechsTG]

In her profile it's described as being a minor ability that can hinder the walk of a person by using a large volume of shinsu.

What's being described here is like full on paralysis inducement, and sounds very powerful. Either the profile needs updating or the ability is being exaggerated here.

If it's as described in her profile then Theresia wins with extreme ease since she honestly doesn't need to take a single step to achieve victory.

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[Phoenks]

Well, she have wincons but okay.

Did she ever predict telerportion?

The difference between predicting speed-blitz worthy attacks, invisibility, and teleportation effectively isn't that much. She can do the former two with ease, so teleportation really shouldn't be an issue. Speed blitzing appears like teleportation to the eye and invisibility is arguably even harder to predict.

Not to mention her info analysis basically grants her prior knowledge on said teleportation anyway.

I say it is really nothing special. Her lines will still show her the optimal path to victory, through the teleportation.

 

[Fezzih_007]

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Ah.
Is not paralysis, is just make you super hard to move if you don't have enough strenght or Shinsu.
So technically is paralysis, i already shown you in the scan the way it works.

The difference between predicting speed-blitz worthy attacks, invisibility, and teleportation effectively isn't that much.

It is,
Invisible attacks are still there, just that you can't see them.
And telerportion is even faster than most speedblitz.

She can do the former two with ease, so teleportation really shouldn't be an issue. Speed blitzing appears like teleportation to the eye and invisibility is arguably even harder to predict.

When does she ever predicted speedblitz?
Anyway, to her to predict a attack, she needs a atleast a clue to when the attack gonna happen, Fenryl gives zero ones, he literally just spams in any direction of the opponent.
Not to mention the ways she predict invisible attacks is complety useless here.

Like, you can argue she could deduce when she would appear, but with zero info on her abilities, is gonna be hard.

Not to mention her info analysis basically grants her prior knowledge on said teleportation anyway.

Her info analysis straight up don't do that, what?

I say it is really nothing special. Her lines will still show her the optimal path to victory, through the teleportation.

Wow, thas't a NFL, when does her lines works with telerportion?

 

[Phoenks]

Her info analysis straight up don't do that, what?

It's literally on her page under
Information Analysis.

"She can grasp her opponents abilities at a glance."

Wow, thas't a NFL, when does her lines works with telerportion?

It doesn't really need proof of that. And no, it's not an NFL. Teleportation doesn't negate information analysis and extrasensory perception. Especially when it works on invisible entities.

When does she ever predicted speedblitz?

Her skill scales vastly beyond those who can do this.

Invisible attacks are still there, just that you can't see them.
And telerportion is even faster than most speedblitz.

Combine not being able to see something with a speed blitz and it is almost the same exact thing as teleportation.

Point is, teleportation isn't enough to neg her ability to sense shit and predict it. Not in the slightest, especially if she knows about the teleportation ability.

 

[Zabazab]

Not to mention the ways she predict invisible attacks is complety useless here.

Why?

 

[Fezzih_007]

It's literally on her page under
Information Analysis.

"She can grasp her opponents abilities at a glance."

Information Analysis (Theresia sees white lines which lead her to the optimal path to victory[1], as she intuitively grasps her opponents most vulnerable points.[12] She can also judge a person’s abilities at a glance[12], and could even tell that Stride's flesh and bones could not stand up to strong physical exertion. The Blessing of the Sword Saint lets her perceive flaws in everyone's fighting style[1]),

All this example show she can judge someone fighting styles and pshysical conditions, It don't tell her someone secret powers.
Like, if worked like that, Reinhard that have the same blessing would look at any of the Archbishop and immediatly know all they powers.

It doesn't really need proof of that.

It does yeah, you can't just say she can predict Elaine telerportion and don't prove when she ever done that.

And no, it's not an NFL. Teleportation doesn't negate information analysis and extrasensory perception.

I never said it does negate? I just ask where her line worked agaist telerportion.
She having extrasensory presence gonna help somehat.

Especially when it works on invisible entities.

Ok, when does her lines works agaist invisible entities?

Her skill scales vastly beyond those who can do this.

Like who? Because the Ram feat is not prediction anymore.

Combine not being able to see something with a speed blitz and it is almost the same exact thing as teleportation.

Which character as able to predict a speed blitz invisible attack? And still not the same thing as telerportion, telerportion spams besides you.
Speed blitz and Invisible can be predict with Visual clues, Fenryl don't give any.

Point is, teleportation isn't enough to neg her ability to sense shit

Which i agree that she could sense yeah, she can sense Fenryl somehat, but Elaine can multiply things to make Fenryl hit Theresia anyway.

and predict it.

She not gonna.

Not in the slightest, especially if she knows about the teleportation ability.

She don't know about the ability.

Why?

Actually you can forget that, i just remember something else she can do.

 

[Zabazab]

Personally I think you're overblowing how powerful her teleportation is. Being able to swap places with Fenryl is only really useful for avoiding an attack at most once, as Olbart was able to predict full-blown teleporting after seeing it once- and Theresia's prediction is of course off the charts.

Teleporting wouldn't disrupt her prediction unless you have evidence that her teleportation has that effect.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Personally I think you're overblowing how powerful her teleportation is.

I personally don't think so. And is not just her telerportation, is the rest of her moveset, since she can also stats amp herself to dodges attacks.

Being able to swap places with Fenryl is only really useful for avoiding an attack at most once

, as Olbart was able to predict full-blown teleporting after seeing it once- and Theresia's prediction is of course off the charts.

Orbart is not exactly on this wiki, so we can't his feat here.
And when Theresia go do an attack, Fenryl gonna bite Theresia while she is attacking, when they trade places.

Teleporting wouldn't disrupt her prediction unless you have evidence that her teleportation has that effect.

Why do you guys keep saying things that i never affirm? I never said that Fenryl can disrupt Theresia prediction, is just the Wolf himself can't be predict in any way.

 

[Zabazab]

There is nothing mentioning a resistence to prediction on her profile, why would Theresia be unable to predict Fenryl?

 

[VortechsTG]

Teleportation does not grant resistance to precognition and even if Theresia didn't have that she's still incredibly skilled and would be able to adapt to it. Teleportation is ultimately just a repositioning tool. It's not an instant win. This argument is baffling to me.

Additionally, there are absolutely none of the resistances being suggested on her profile.

 

[Zabazab]

I'm also inclined to trust in the profile's description of her minor matter manip that it just hinders a person's walk, which would not be nearly enough to prevent Theresia from winning pretty consistently.

 

[Fezzih_007]

There is nothing mentioning a resistence to prediction on her profile, why would Theresia be unable to predict Fenryl?

Just passing by to add: IR, Analytical precog, ESP, Enhanced Senses and Info analysis (skill based info analysis) don't work against Fenryl, Baam couldn't sense its presence because it was a purely spiritual being.

Baam have all that and he can not sense or predict Fenryl. Of course, indexing this on her profile would be usefull.

Teleportation does not grant resistance to precognition

I never said it does.

and even if Theresia didn't have that she's still incredibly skilled and would be able to adapt to it.

ok

Teleportation is ultimately just a repositioning tool. It's not an instant win. This argument is baffling to me.

Lmao, also never said this is a instant wincon, I just said hitting Elaine is gonna be hard.

Additionally, there are absolutely none of the resistances being suggested on her profile.

Resistance to what exactly?

I'm also inclined to trust in the profile's description of her minor matter manip that it just hinders a person's walk,

Only if you take as face value, because the ability itself work like the way i said.

which would not be nearly enough to prevent Theresia from winning pretty consistently.

It would, since she can't dodge, she gonna get bitten by the wolf.

I gonna call more people to vote now.

 

[VortechsTG]

Ok, based on the profiles + the resistances I'm still voting for Theresia. I have no reason to believe the matter manipulation is paralysis and if it was that would just be a stomp

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok, but it is almost paralysis, you just denying now because.

Anyway, i gonna put you on the vote count because of Fra, so it can count.

 

[Zabazab]

Baam have all that and he can not sense or predict Fenryl. Of course, indexing this on her profile would be usefull.

Not being able to sense a spiritual beings makes it sounds like a weakness of Baam's abilities rather than a resistence of Fenryl's. It should get a CRT and/or be on her profile.

She can also sense, see, and feel paths of hostility themselves to avoid attacks.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Not being able to sense a spiritual beings makes it sounds like a weakness of Baam's abilities rather than a resistence of Fenryl's.

Why?
Still, Fenryl can't still not be sense normally, because there's this thing on the verse called lighthouse, and this thing can detect anything on the verse, even layered invisible things and can also info analysis, and they can't sense Fenryl, so is not because of a Baam weakness, is just Fenryl can't be sensed normally.

It should get a CRT and/or be on her profile.

Nah.

She can also sense, see, and feel paths of hostility themselves to avoid attacks.

Since i already counted you vote, and i gonna be repeating myself anyway, i not gonna say anything.

 

[Phoenks]

Yeah I'm not going to restate this many times. You seem to just have a personal opinion that won't budge. So just count my vote for Theresia I guess.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok..

 

[Fezzih_007]

3-3 now, i just gonna vote If nescessary, I think both have shot at get a W.

 

[Phoenks]

Btw about the matter immobilization. I don't believe Elaine has good enough control over Shinsoo to do that to the extent of some others in ToG.

 

[Fezzih_007]

but why do you think that? She was one If the strongest Rank c regular at the time, the Control over her Shinsu should be in that level. And is pratically just concentrating the surrounds Shinsu, i don't think It should be that complicated.