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The Unwritten | High 1-A to High 1-A+ Upgrade

Swordsaint456

Swordsaint456

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With the new revisions on the system, it's only fair that The Unwritten gets a revision as well.
The Hierarchy of stories should be placed at 1-A+.
  • The Hierarchy of stories follows the general notion of stories within stories, with there being no singular “real” reality (The Unwritten #53)
  • With stories being fictional to a story above.
  • Any dimensions are entirely irrelevant to those above, as shown by how wizards in Tommy Taylor's story, can add entire hyperplanes. Despite this they are irrelevant to the story above, still being fictional in comparison (The Unwritten #1)
  • each story should be infinite in size (The unwritten #54)
  • with the hierarchy being infinite in size(The unwritten #54).
  • Stories themselves should contain their hierarchy of stories as well, as implied by this. This is furthered by the revelation that the narrative of the unwritten should also be a story (The Unwritten #54).

Due to this consistent idea of an infinite, or even larger than an infinite hierarchy of R>F, it should be solidly placed at 1-A+.


The leviathan of stories should be placed at High 1-A (Maybe) High 1-A+ due to embodying the Cetacean Hierarchy and having a 1-A gap over the hierarchy.
This seems pretty simple for High 1-A. At least, it has an R>F transcendence due to viewing the 1-A+ hierarchy of Stories as a dream. Now, it's time to talk about a possible High 1-A+ Rating. See, where High 1-A Represents a “Meta”-Meta-Quality, High 1-A+ embodies all possibilities of this notion. So it would embody a meta-meta-meta-quality, and so on. The Leviathan does this by containing his entire species, which should represent each possibility individually. This is due to their “Meta” or 1-A transcendence of the whale beneath them, each already transcending the hierarchy, and viewing it as a dream.

Profiles effected

Maanim: 1-A+
Pullman: 1-A+ With the Maanim
Gilgamesh: 1-A+ With the Maanim
Tom Taylor: 1-A+ With the Maanim, High 1-A+ With hax.
The Cretacean Hierarchy: High 1-A
The Leviathan: High 1-A+

Note: Pretty sure this goes into a queue of some sort.
 
can't even see the scans, and viewing an infinite hierarchy of r > f as fiction is just higher into 1A+ for high 1A you need to transcerd any and all layers including all possible cardinal layers just like how 1A transcerds dimensions, The possibilities need to be logical , so everything is at best 1A+.
 
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Grabbing_dragon said:
can't even see the scans, and viewing an infinite hierarchy of r > f as fiction is just higher into 1A+
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No? High 1-A is stated to be viewing 1-A, or 1-A+ the same way 1-A views the rest of the tiering system. 1-A views the rest of the tiering system as fiction and transcends any number of them. This is what the Leviathan does, as the Infinite, possibly even beyond infinite 1-A gaps are still just a dream to the Leviathan. Thus making the mother leviathan at least High 1-A.
The possibilities need to be illogical, so everything is at best 1A+.
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Why would the possibilities need to be illogical? The tiering system even states that they would be logical.
being on a which in which their power influences the space of all logically possible worlds ("Logical space," where the laws governing it are the three laws of thought),
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High 1-A+ is just there being something that each individually represents meta-meta-qualities, meta-meta-meta qualities, and so on. That's what the create an hierarchy does, being "Meta" to the previous whale, with the mother leviathan embodying them all and transcending them
 
Swordsaint456 said:
No? High 1-A is stated to be viewing 1-A, or 1-A+ the same way 1-A views the rest of the tiering system. 1-A views the rest of the tiering system as fiction and transcends any number of them. This is what the Leviathan does, as the Infinite, possibly even beyond infinite 1-A gaps are still just a dream to the Leviathan. Thus making the mother leviathan at least High 1-A.
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This doesn't work like this. An inaccessible cardinal position inside the 1-A+ hierarchy could do the job without the Leviathan needing to be High 1-A. Although the fact it goes from R>F quality to "dreaming of reality" quality seems an argument in favor of High 1-A, I'd say.

As for High 1-A+, I don't really care much nor know.
 
Swordsaint456 said:
No? High 1-A is stated to be viewing 1-A, or 1-A+ the same way 1-A views the rest of the tiering system. 1-A views the rest of the tiering system as fiction and transcends any number of them. This is what the Leviathan does, as the Infinite, possibly even beyond infinite 1-A gaps are still just a dream to the Leviathan. Thus making the mother leviathan at least High 1-A.
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By this logic even the first layer of R>F above 1-A would be High 1-A because it is transcending 1-A to the same extent that 1-A transcends things below.

What it's meant to say is that High 1-A operates on a ontologically superior system/hierarchy/framework that is intrinsically beyond that the 1-A system/hierarchy/framework.

So if you have a 1-A hierarchy of R>F, then just having another R>F on top of that all is not going to cut it. It doesn't matter if it's an infinite hierarchy an inaccessible cardinal hierarchy, and absolute infinite hierarchy, etc. It'll still be 1-A+.

Things below 1-A operate on mathematical/spatial/dimension frameworks (or are at least relative to that). The state of a 1-A's existence has absolutely no relativity or relationship with things below that level. No matter how high up you go on those math hierarchies it'll always be nothing to the state of 1-A, because they operate on a fundamentally/ontologically superior level.

It is the same for 1-A vs High 1-A.

I hope you can understand what I mean....
 
Phoenks said:
By this logic even the first layer of R>F above 1-A would be High 1-A because it is transcending 1-A to the same extent that 1-A transcends things below.

What it's meant to say is that High 1-A operates on a ontologically superior system/hierarchy/framework that is intrinsically beyond that the 1-A system/hierarchy/framework.

So if you have a 1-A hierarchy of R>F, then just having another R>F on top of that all is not going to cut it. It doesn't matter if it's an infinite hierarchy an inaccessible cardinal hierarchy, and absolute infinite hierarchy, etc. It'll still be 1-A+.

Things below 1-A operate on mathematical/spatial/dimension frameworks (or are at least relative to that). The state of a 1-A's existence has absolutely no relativity or relationship with things below that level. No matter how high up you go on those math hierarchies it'll always be nothing to the state of 1-A, because they operate on a fundamentally/ontologically superior level.

It is the same for 1-A vs High 1-A.

I hope you can understand what I mean....
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Yeah but, the leviathans would be their own hierarchy, no?
 
Swordsaint456 said:
Why would the possibilities need to be illogical? The tiering system even states that they would be logical.

High 1-A+ is just there being something that each individually represents meta-meta-qualities, meta-meta-meta qualities, and so on. That's what the create an hierarchy does, being "Meta" to the previous whale, with the mother leviathan embodying them all and transcending them
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High 1A+ doesn't depend on cosmology, and the possibilities need to be logical. If they are not, they would be nomological possibilities. Nomological possibilities apply to every statement of possibilities that are not described as logical, like infinite possibilities. For example, and this place is the collection of all possibilities, or anything similar.
 
Grabbing_dragon said:
High 1A+ doesn't depend on cosmology, and the possibilities need to be logical. If they are not, they would be nomological possibilities. Nomological possibilities apply to every statement of possibilities that are not described as logical, like infinite possibilities. For example, and this place is the collection of all possibilities, or anything similar.
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What? High 1-A+ does depend on the cosmology to an extent depending on how its reached. And wdym the possibilities need to be logical? earlier you said illogical so your just agreeing to my point. I really don't understand what your arguing
 
Anyway seems possible this will be applicable for baseline High 1-A but I don't see evidence for anything beyond that.

Will now stop posting since this thread is supposed to be closed and qued.
 
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