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This gonna get added?
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The Ultimate Garfield Revision Thread
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I believe so.
although they were supposed to be in 2 hours ago tbh
although they were supposed to be in 2 hours ago tbh
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I'll go ahead and add it
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It had been added
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Edit'ed the edit a bit :3
Should the Tom match be removed?
Should the Tom match be removed?
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Yeah, honestly
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Hm
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I removed it. We seem to be done here
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What about Tom's profile?
and yeah seems done here.
and yeah seems done here.
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I already removed it. See you gentlemen around. I expect many more Garfield match in the near future
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We can only hope
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Wait, I forgot about the regen, hold on, let me add that too
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It has been added, now we are actually done
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I see no proof of immeasurable speed, just toon force, and agree with Jaften that Low Godly Regenerationn is an exaggeration. Garfield apparently just blew up, which couldn't be shown in a family-friendly comicbook strip. That is High-Mid.
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Running back in time is immeasurable speed. We already agreed that low godly regen is not valid, and went with At least High Mid, likely High, as no remnants were visible at all
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I'm not sure anyone claimed the fear was supernatural to begin with, but whatever
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Also, a speed feat done via toon force makes it no less valid. Its should be just listed that it was done via toon force
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It is not clear that he was running back in time. It is even left unclear whether or not he was running between panels, which would just be a common type of toon force, not the ability to transcend time itself.
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Running in the reverse flow of time is indeed an immeasurable speed feat. Running back in the panels, even if it was for comedic effect, very clearly shows a moving back in time. Last I checked someone does not need to transcend time to have immeasurable speed, even if that is where most immeasurable speed feats come from, they just need to be able to "run" along the forth axis, which he is clearly doing.
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Also, even if he doesn't have immeasurable speed, he still needs time travel. In additon, what was the issue with his fear manip? just cuz it isn't supernatural doesn't mean he doesn't have it
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Again, all that we see is the vaulting pole being drawn between panels, not Garfield himself. He was likely just planning to use it to reach the jar of cookies. We do not remotely have proof that he can move back in time, and it would be an enormous outlier even if he did.
At best moving betweeen panels is a common type of toon force, used by plenty of other characters such as Gwenpool and She-Hulk, who have never remotely displayed immeasurable speed on their own. It would completely contradict the fundamental essences of their characters, much like it does here.
At best moving betweeen panels is a common type of toon force, used by plenty of other characters such as Gwenpool and She-Hulk, who have never remotely displayed immeasurable speed on their own. It would completely contradict the fundamental essences of their characters, much like it does here.
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Jon is describing that he put the Jar out of sink with time, so if we do not go with the obvious time travel or running back in time, some kind of time manipulation or counter there of is happening here. The fact that the motion lines and poll are seemingly moving across the pannels with Garfield in toe, the implication of what they are going for is clear, and only the total refusal to move beyond what is explicitly stated can deny that he is moving back in the pannels. Its hard to be an outlier when there are next to no anti-feats for him. If he does not have immeasurable speed, or even time travel if you deny that, then he at the very least has some level of time manip for his capacity to retreave the jar from outside of his time flow
Gwenpool is a bad example for your point since she can move through time by moving outside pannels and outside the flow of time. Presumably the only reason she is not rated as immeasurable due to moving outside of time is that it would only be applicable in a realm where everyone can move outside the flow of time, and thus pointless. I cannot speak for She-Hulk, as I am not knowledgable on her, but as far as I can tell they are far more serious than Garfield is. Garfield's "fundamental essence" does not contradict him being able to run back in time if that contributes to the gag, which at this point it did. You will note that I even proposed that it was "Varies" between different speeds with Immeasurable only being the absolute max, as we do for many other toon force characters, which fixes the issue of it running against the tone, as it would only apply when it fits his gag.
Also, why was the fear manip removed again?
Gwenpool is a bad example for your point since she can move through time by moving outside pannels and outside the flow of time. Presumably the only reason she is not rated as immeasurable due to moving outside of time is that it would only be applicable in a realm where everyone can move outside the flow of time, and thus pointless. I cannot speak for She-Hulk, as I am not knowledgable on her, but as far as I can tell they are far more serious than Garfield is. Garfield's "fundamental essence" does not contradict him being able to run back in time if that contributes to the gag, which at this point it did. You will note that I even proposed that it was "Varies" between different speeds with Immeasurable only being the absolute max, as we do for many other toon force characters, which fixes the issue of it running against the tone, as it would only apply when it fits his gag.
Also, why was the fear manip removed again?
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If we go with that it was not just a visual gag effect, then he was clearly moving between panels going by how the vaulting pole was drawn. In addition, he has never remotely demonstrated time travel in a more easily understood manner elsewhere.
I am not going to accept this, and am far too busy to continue to argue about it. Sorry, but you will have to live with that.
Fear manipulation means an actual superhuman power, not just scaring people by threatening them.
I am not going to accept this, and am far too busy to continue to argue about it. Sorry, but you will have to live with that.
Fear manipulation means an actual superhuman power, not just scaring people by threatening them.
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That's fine. I can make a revision thread another time and have other staff look at it, since you do not have time. We both have much on our plate and can deal with this at another time. More for time manip than immeasurable speed at least
Ah, i see. that makes sense.
Ah, i see. that makes sense.
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To explain, the issue here is that immeasurable speed is an extremely high rating that needs clearly understood irrefutable proof that does not severely contradict the general character portrayal. This particular instance is far too diffuse to reliably use the rating.
Anyway, should we close this thread?
Anyway, should we close this thread?
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Is time manipulation at least acceptable to add, since he is undoubtably capable of bringing that back into time flow, given Jon's distress? Well whatever, I guess I'll just come back to this another time
Sure
Sure
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