The Transcendence vs Ea (I/O)

[Phoenix821]

Both Low 1-B

The Transcendence (Xeelee Sequence): 3 (Lucis=the=Lumenian, ZacharyGrossman273, Nedge1000)

Ea (I/O): 0

Inconclusive: 1 ( Iapitus The Impaler)

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

And so it begins...

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Hmmm

Transcendence can't kill High 1-B immortality

so this is a matter of whether or not Ea can survive mind/soul absorbtion

If she can't, Transcendence wins.

If not, massive inconclusive since Transcendence has bullshit immortality.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

She still has sealing, her metaphysical attacks, and other means to incap. She has her shieding to protect her from absorption, and she will be restored anyway

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

How does his immortality work?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It's not physical absorbtion. It's mind/soul based. Ea doesen't resist mind manipulation or soul manipulation.

>Sealing

Dimensional Travel

As for his immortality, he can survive having himself alongside his own type 8 erased on a level where it's impossible for them to exist

 

[Lucis=the=Lumenian]

From what I read of Transcendence its signature ability is to manipulate true reality by manipulating its shadows.

Kinda like reverse-Conceptual Manipulation IMO.

It involves Black Hole Information Paradox.

Lets just say reality is 3D (Real), but it is actually a Projection of 2D surface (Shadow). Transc can manipulate the 2D surface (Shadow) to manipulate 3D (Reality).

Easier explanation is : Multiverse = Movie . 2D Surface = Movie Projector, but the Projector is made of pure flatness and by some miracle can project 11-Dimensions.

Yeah I know its confusing. But that's how Transcendence reality warp things. It directly manipulate the video inside movie projector to mess with the movie that's currently playing.

Its combination of Information Manipulation + Conceptual Manipulation I think...

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Transcendence definitely can't kill Ea. It's a matter of whether or not she can resist a ton of non lethal hax (Law, Causality, Concept, Mind/Soul Absorb, Fusionism, etc)

 

[Elizhaa]

Transcendence definitely can't kill Ea. It's a matter of whether or not she can resist a ton of non lethal hax (Law, Causality, Concept, Mind/Soul Absorb, Fusionism, etc)

I am pretty sure that most of these haxs are lethal. Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) is lethal and negate Mid-Goldy regen.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Conceptual Manipulation has multiple uses. And when I said Lethal, I meant destroying the type 8 immortality.

 

[Dragopentling]

Does The Transcendence have something to override her MetaExistence?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

You mean, being made of information? Because interacting with that sort of being would be super easy for Transcendence

 

[Elizhaa]

Conceptual Manipulation has multiple uses. And when I said Lethal, I meant destroying the type 8 immortality.

It is reliant on information (as long as her information and Enigma exists, she will be restored). In this case, many abilities like Information Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) and Law Manipulation can negate it.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

EA can do this in her 12D key

Reality Warping and Mental Attacks (Briefly threatened an incarnated HE with her mental attacks, and somewhat effected him with her reality warping when he was casual. Has a significant control of Babylon) |

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"When he was casual"

This sounds like it happened when he was massively nerfed

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

1A being casual is still 1A

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

No. It's not. All 1-As would have type 5 acausality. And since I/O revisions aren't done, I have reason to believe HE is missing a key.

 

[Lucis=the=Lumenian]

If Ea want to play her MetaExistence stick then I'd vouch for Transcendence's 'MetaExistence'.

Transcendent: beyond the sphere of human knowledge or experience, above and independent of humanity, indeed independent of the material universe itself.

Independent of physical universe. Implying its fully conceptual or something.

Reath had been right: location in space or even time was irrelevant to the Transcendence. This abstract realm was where the Transcendence existed, this no-place, and it was governed not by time or distance but merely by an effort of will.

Location of spacetime/dimensions is Irrelevant to transcendence. Because they don't exist in there in the first place.

They exist in no place, governed by will (just as I/O is governed by thought).

So I think Transcendence can resist Ea's Meta attacks.

Adding the fact that Transcendence can actualize every possibility in a single meta-reality which can bypass any logic which could have prevented the actualization of said possibilities.

It was as if every possibility was being generated in some meta-reality, every human who might ever have lived under any contingency was to be born — and all these possibilities folded down, regardless of logic, into a single timeline. "History will be meaningless," she murmured.

Maybe this implies that Transcendence can create illogical meta-universe.

Voting for Transcendence as their abilities are well-suited to reach into her Meta existence combat Ea's informational nature.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I'm also voting Transcendence due to spamming mind/soul absorb in character as well as law, causality, and concept hax.


If Ea has better resistances than I think, I'll change to incon.

 

[Elizhaa]

Voting for Transcendence my reasonings and FRA

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I would like to point out that the shielding shuts out most interference against her, with the exception of far superior info manip, or in this case conceptual manip

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So, the Trasncendence uses conceptual+law hax to destroy the shields, then absorbs her soul?

 

[Lucis=the=Lumenian]

Don't you think there's very large gap in one aspect? Namely Intelligence ?

Iirc Transcendence can simulate whole multiverse in zero time. How? Because they have capability to break information limitation law and can literally deal with infinite information.

So I think First Strike will be optimized towards Transcen favor. Like, Transcen would perfectly know how to capitalize on their strength.

Adding the Simulation Power on top of their haxes... Well, Ea is in disadvantage here.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I know. Transcendence is nigh omniscient for a reason.

 

[Lucis=the=Lumenian]

I know. Transcendence is nigh omniscient for a reason.

Well, as long as someone is aware. The gap wouldn't make it into a stomp, but it'd give Transcen too much advantage I think.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

So he does have info manip? Raw intelligence won't help him when her shielding shuts out interference, and it's almost impossible to effect her without info manip

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Conceptual Manipulation is better than info manip...

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Really, usually it is, but I/O has info as literally basically everything. But either way, that's not the point. My point is, intelligence isn't gonna help him around this shield. If his conceptual manip can get around the shield, then he may win, if not, then intelligence wont help cuz he has no way around it.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

If the shield is just pure information, Conceptual Manipulation should destroy it easily, thus allowing mind absorbtion.

 

[Elizhaa]

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), in this cases, would definitely bypass her shield

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Does his conceptual manip work outside of his own realms? Also, his concept manip does not seem like it can be used for destruction based on his profile description. Either way, he should at the very least be able to effect her with it

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

His own realm is likely 12-D and Ea is a 12-D being, I don't see why not

 

[Elizhaa]

Does his conceptual manip work outside of his own realms? Also, his concept manip does not seem like it can be used for destruction based on his profile description. Either way, he should at the very least be able to effect her with it

Yes, it does. Conceptual Manipulation's Type Category should be the only limitations.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Ea only exists in Cyberspace, so she wouldn't be in his realm. If his realm has a digital aspect to it, then she can BFR him outside of his own realms

 

[Phoenix821]

Ea is a being made of Data and her Data is stored in Enigma as long as her data is safe she can reform herself.

 

[Elizhaa]

Only Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3 and below) are limited by range. Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) is limited by dimensional tiering rating.

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) is only for Tier 1-A and above

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@Nedge

My comment was replying to Zach, not you. As for what you said, the description on his profile clearly make it sound like his conceptual manipulation cannot be used for destroying, or at the very least is largely applied for creation of his realms.

 

[Lucis=the=Lumenian]

@Nedge

clearly make it sound like his conceptual manipulation cannot be used for destroying, or at the very least is largely applied for creation of his realms.

That so. Novel said that Transcen can use it to genocide whole humanity across all timelines though. As if humanity never existed in the first place.

In fact, thats how Transcen get Mid Godly iirc. Aside from having immunity to causality and consequence because of their ' infinite ' nature.

 

[Elizhaa]

@Iapitus The Impaler, no biggie. In truth, the justification looks limiting.

I think the issue is that many still add the feats according to possible use description but according to the Type description.

This mistake is because the type did not exist until May 2018 and many are still not use to it.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index.php?title=Conceptual_Manipulation&diff=2651409&oldid=1470447

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Conceptual_Manipulation?action=history

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Yeah, it's really weird

Leropa sighed. "If suffering exists, no redemption may be possible. But need it have been so? What if humans had never existed at all? What if the Earth had remained lifeless, like the Moon? Then there would have been no suffering to atone, no evil to redeem—no sin to expiate. Perhaps that would be a better state of affairs than to allow ineradicable suffering to exist, without the possibility of healing."

Alia stopped in her tracks. "Are you serious?"

"It is the final stage of Redemption, its ultimate logic. We call it the Cleansing. It is not that mankind will cease to exist," said Leropa quietly. "It never will have existed. And it could be arranged quite easily. Remember, the Transcendence can restore the dead to life, with a mere gesture. This final solution is almost elegant. Economical."