The Ring CRT: Sadako Yamamura Profile Rework

[TheShape03]

A while ago I got interested in The Ring franchise, and I started rewriting Sadako Yamamura's profile.

Old profile.

New profile.

Changes: Pretty much 99% of the stuff is new, the old profile lacks justifications or scans for almost everything, not to mention it's missing a lot of information and uses feats seen in Sadako vs. Kayako, a crossover movie that is not canon to the original timelines (it contradicts a lot of things from the main timelines, like where the well is located, how Sadako's curse works, Kayako's house is a different house than the original, etc.).

By the way, the profile name should be changed to "Sadako Yamamura (Hideo Nakata Timeline)"

 

[ShockingPsychic]

The old profile still uses 9-B skull crushing, so an update is more than welcome. Looks very good

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Looks very good! You should ask an administrator to give his/her input here.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Fun tip: for quotes that are multiple lines long, insert <poem> at the beginning of the quote to ensure all of it is italicized. So, this:

{{Quote|'''Reiko Asakawa:''' So that video is...
'''Ryuji Takayama:''' It's not of this world. It's Sadako's rage. She's put a curse on us.|Ryuji Takayama explaining Sadako's curse.<ref name="one">Ring (1998)</ref>|Ring_1998_Render.png}}

becomes this:

{{Quote|<poem>'''Reiko Asakawa:''' So that video is...
'''Ryuji Takayama:''' It's not of this world. It's Sadako's rage. She's put a curse on us.</poem>|Ryuji Takayama explaining Sadako's curse.<ref name="one">Ring (1998)</ref>|Ring_1998_Render.png}}

...and now everything between those two will be italicized.

Onto the profile:

• Some abilities seem redundant. Sadako is given Death Manipulation for killing people with her mind, and Biological Manipulation for "causing their hearts to stop"; yeah man, they died. Biological Manipulation in this instance seems unnecessary.
• Some of the abilities inherited from her mother seem to lack concrete reasoning. It seems uncertain whether she retained all of her mother's gifts, only that she certainly gained some (some level of precognition)- but others (like telepathy) have no reasoning for Sadako in particular, as in, no showings of her having that are given. I'd prefer in situations like this, it is reduced to "possibly Telepathy", as it is unclear whether she has the ability or not, only that her mother did and thus it feasibly could have passed to her.

A full list of changes is generally preferred, even in "extreme makeovers" like this, so I don't have to play scavenger hunt to find them. Still, I think that covers it- abilities she doesn't explicitly show should be "possibly" and abilities contingent on the side-effects of others shouldn't be there (I only saw Biological Manipulation for this bit, while the other definitely had other examples, like Retrocognition).

Stylistically? Hate the scrollbox trend, but what can you do. All else is approved.

 

[TheShape03]

Fun tip: for quotes that are multiple lines long, insert <poem> at the beginning of the quote to ensure all of it is italicized. So, this:

I'll fix that, thanks.

Some abilities seem redundant. Sadako is given Death Manipulation for killing people with her mind, and Biological Manipulation for "causing their hearts to stop"; yeah man, they died. Biological Manipulation in this instance seems unnecessary.

Understood, I'll remove that.

Some of the abilities inherited from her mother seem to lack concrete reasoning. It seems uncertain whether she retained all of her mother's gifts, only that she certainly gained some (some level of precognition)- but others (like telepathy) have no reasoning for Sadako in particular, as in, no showings of her having that are given. I'd prefer in situations like this, it is reduced to "possibly Telepathy", as it is unclear whether she has the ability or not, only that her mother did and thus it feasibly could have passed to her.

Most of her previously non-psychic victims (Mai Takano and Yoichi being prime examples) gained various psychic abilities (including telepathy and retrocognition) after their encounter with Sadako (Sadako has the ability to bestow some of her powers on others). That's why she has those abilities as well. It's also stated twice that Sadako is a more powerful psychic than her mother, both statements coming from psychics. Also, to be fair, telepathy is a normal ability among psychics in the verse. This scene also implies that Sadako did inherit her mother's powers.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

We don't grant characters the powers they may bestow upon others. I agree it is very likely she has the abilities, but without an explicit confirmation I will remain firm on this.

 

[TheShape03]

We don't grant characters the powers they may bestow upon others. I agree it is very likely she has the abilities, but without an explicit confirmation I will remain firm on this.

It's also stated twice that Sadako is a more powerful psychic than her mother, both statements coming from psychics. This scene also implies that Sadako did inherit her mother's powers.

Wouldn't this serve to allow Sadako to scale directly to her mother's abilities?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Wouldn't this serve to allow Sadako to scale directly to her mother's abilities?

It would serve to prove she has her mother's precognition, which I already accepted. Is there nothing more substantial?

 

[TheShape03]

It would serve to prove she has her mother's precognition, which I already accepted. Is there nothing more substantial?

The first two statements don't talk about her precognition.

They describe Sadako as a more powerful psychic than her mother (previously also described as a powerful psychic in the second statement). Shizuko's psychic abilities included Clairvoyance, Telepathy, and Precognition. Two of those abilities are things that Sadako has been shown to have. So, I think that should also include telepathy, which is also a common ability that several other psychics like Ryuji and Mai have shown.

Now, if Sadako's psychic powers are superior to her mother's, who is an especially powerful psychic, I don't see how Sadako shouldn't gain all of her mother's and other average psychics' psychic abilities.

 

[LordTracer]

Just some minor formatting things.

The references for Statistics Values go at the end of the justifications they’re attached to, not next to the tiers.

Also, you don’t need to put “Scales to” in those references, just listing the value is fine.

 

[TheShape03]

The references for Statistics Values go at the end of the justifications they’re attached to, not next to the tiers.

I have seen many profiles (two examples) where the "statistics value" is placed next to the level. That's why I thought of putting it like that.

Also, you don’t need to put “Scales to” in those references, just listing the value is fine.

Understood, I'll fix that. But again, in many profiles the "Scales to" or "Downscales from" is present, that's why I placed it like that.

 

[LordTracer]

I have seen many profiles (two examples) where the "statistics value" is placed next to the level. That's why I thought of putting it like that.

Yeah, those profiles would need to have that fixed. It’s supposed to go at the end of the justification, as you can see in the standard format page.

 

[TheShape03]

Bump

 

[TheShape03]

Bump

 

[LordTracer]

Forgot to say it before, but the profile looks good to me.

 

[Qawsedf234]

First off, I think the profile looks great. Good job on that.

For the powers I would agree with Bambu. Unless you can prove that psionics are a UES system, where they all have the same powers, so Sadako being the strongest psionic would give her all the power, we can't assume she knows everything. Just the stuff she would directly demonstrate or be said to do.

 

[Robo432343]

peak horror franchise

 

[TheShape03]

For the powers I would agree with Bambu. Unless you can prove that psionics are a UES system, where they all have the same powers, so Sadako being the strongest psionic would give her all the power, we can't assume she knows everything. Just the stuff she would directly demonstrate or be said to do.

I'm pretty sure that a psychic's power level in the verse determines the abilities they have.

For example, it is mentioned that Sadako is more powerful than her mother (Shizuko) and the reason they come to this conclusion is because Sadako has a psychic ability that her mother doesn't (killing with her mind).

Ryuji (an average psychic, less powerful than Shizuko) stated that he has "some" of the psychic abilities that Shizuko had, he doesn't have all of her abilities, this again implies that a specifically powerful psychic would have the same abilities as an average psychic + their own. In this case, Shizuko would have the same abilities as Ryuji + her own.

To further reinforce this, Sadako has demonstrated several of the psychic abilities that other lesser-powered psychics have (Precognition, Clairvoyance, Power Bestowal, and Telekinesis).

If for some reason this is not enough, then I will remove the abilities that Sadako herself has not demonstrated, but what I said before sounds like a pretty logical reasoning.

 

[Qawsedf234]

for some reason this is not enough, then I will remove the abilities that Sadako herself has not demonstrated, but what I said before sounds like a pretty logical reasoning.

I'd just put them in a possibly tabber like with Yhwach since there's no hard statement.

 

[TheShape03]

I'd just put them in a possibly tabber like with Yhwach since there's no hard statement.

Okay, how does it look now?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Okay, how does it look now?

I mean more like, a second tabber like this profile or this profile

 

[TheShape03]

I mean more like, a second tabber like this profile or this profile

Would it be necessary to create an extra tabber just for 3 likely abilities? I think it's enough to just make it clear that they are "likely" abilities.

 

[TheShape03]

Bump

 

[TheShape03]

Bump, again

 

[TheShape03]

Bump.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

The profile looks fine, good job!

I hate the "Statistics Value" thing as much as Bambu hates the scroll box template, but i can't really do too much about it lol

My only complain is that:

• Limited Duplication (As a child, she split into two Sadakos,[4] a good version and an evil version. At the end of Ring 0: Birthday, both Sadakos merge again[4])

This is Fissionism, not Duplication

Otherwise, everything (That wasn't pointed out above) looks fine

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Bump.

what more do you want

The profile looks fine, good job!

I hate the "Statistics Value" thing as much as Bambu hates the scroll box template, but i can't really do too much about it lol

My only complain is that:

This is Fissionism, not Duplication

Otherwise, everything (That wasn't pointed out above) looks fine

when the HELL did we get a page called "fissionism" lol. anyways yeah that looks better, use that.

 

[TheShape03]

what more do you want

I guess I need two admin votes before applying the changes.

 

[TheShape03]

This is Fissionism, not Duplication

Done, I didn't know that ability existed here lmao.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I guess I need two admin votes before applying the changes.

No, LordTracer's vote is sufficient. Qawsedf's advice was moreso regarding how to organize it, rather than the meat of the matter: if it comes down to it, he is also free to re-organize it without a CRT himself. What we have not accepted (namely that the "all psychic powers" thing is inherited by her solidly) should be acknowledged and thus the edits adjusted, but otherwise you're free to apply this.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Done, I didn't know that ability existed here lmao.

I thought the same when i saw Psychometry, lol

 

[TheShape03]

I agree it is very likely she has the abilities, but without an explicit confirmation I will remain firm on this.

I'd just put them in a possibly tabber like with Yhwach since there's no hard statement.

Okay. Considering the lack of a direct statement, but taking into account the fact that it's quite likely that the character still has those abilities anyway, the specific abilities that Sadako hasn't demonstrated I've put as "likely".

This has already been applied, thanks to everyone who took the time to comment here. I guess we can close this.