The reason there’s explicit contradictions is simply because Editorial doesn’t see the need to make the crossover cohere with canon, which means that it’s not canon despite authorial statements (because Editorial > them in the source-hierarchy for canon).
the author literally confirmed that the editorial let them do this, and the reason it doesn’t fit the canon perfectly is because the author wanted them to be in their most recognizable states and he’s going to let tom Brevoort work out roughly where it is in the timeline
My understanding was that it was just an evergreen self contained story within 616. It's the equivalent of an annual flashback special.
The issue is that it doesn't fit anywhere in Marvel's history. You have characters in states that they've been in like a decade ago interacting with characters who didn't even exist when they were in those states like Xavier being crippled and Wasp and Monica Rambeu having their classic era costumes but fighting alongside Miles and Kamala. The Avengers team is this book hasn't ever existed, same goes for the Guardians of the Galaxy team including Nebula who has never been a member outside the MCU, Knull is somehow just walking around despite only now returning to life after his death, and Odin is still alive and ruling Asgard so Thor doesn't have the Odinforce.
Tbh that isn’t the first time marvel doesn’t perfectly match it’s own canon, there are about a half million(being dramatic) retcons that mess stuff up, stories all the times will have characters doing entirely different things at once to the point that marvel even explained it, I can probably think of other things but I’m too lazy, the point is it’s entirely natural for marvel to not always be the best at canon, that doesn’t change the fact that if it is stated to be a canon by the writer then it is canon
I wish it was stated to be an alternate universe because of how many holes each of these stories starts off with
As in, “I don’t know anything about canon so I’m going to let Editorial decide” and they’ve already decided by not constricting it to canon in the first place (they do this with all their books; you can’t name a singular title this egregiously broken) because it’s a crossover.
Did you ask the editorial?, you can’t just assume they’ve decided it’s non canon just because it doesn’t fit perfectly, who knows maybe they’ll pull of something like it takes place in the future or maybe they’ll somehow find a perfect point in the timeline, or maybe they’ll just let it not fit perfectly but still fit in the grand scheme of things, you can’t assume what they’ve decided until someone asks them
I gave my thoughts/contentions on Discord, but on a final note, I said I'd provide a statement that could solidify the proposed rating here.
It’s not the Godzilla owners that said it though, it’s the marvel writer who has written over 400 marvel comics created over 1000 marvel characters, explicitly said that the marvel editorial gave him permission to make this canon, has mentioned stuff that proves he knows about marvel continuity just fine such as mortal Thor, if the writer says it’s canon it’s canon, that is how canon is decided in the first place unless the editorial says otherwise which they haven’tI strongly agree about that the Godzilla owners do not decide what is or isn't canon to Marvel Comics, and that if the recent Godzilla crossovers cannot be fit into any coherent continuity, they should be considered "What if?" alternative timelines at best, not scale from our main canon.
sighIf it doesn't seem to fit into continuity, we at the very least need further clarifications from Marvel's editorial department first.
No, those fall under “Elseworlds” standards, which we have profiles for on our wiki even with just one appearance.
Hulk's strength changes with anger, so that could be the reason
Ok, no Doctor Strangefate I guessYes, you can only scale from the crossover feats, not from separate continuities.
Also, Ant is incorrect, as he occasionally tends to be.Yes, you can only scale from the crossover feats, not from separate continuities.
It was also pre-Crisis Superman versus the later 1970s Hulk, who was enormously less powerful than currently.
There are too many inconsistencies between the power levels of the respective verses to work when synchronising them, with the matchup results decided by fan voting, and Amalgam was an independent continuity, so only using what was actually shown seems by far safer, which I think is mentioned in our rules.Also, Ant is incorrect, as he occasionally tends to be.
Marvel/DC crossovers were at the time treated to be canonical to both DC and Marvel, falling under our canon crossovers. However, that might have changed with time. That being said, I am fairly sure Marvel still treats it as something that has happened, with Brothers and their respective "Megaverse' both appearing as late as in 2023, and having a cameo in this year's DC/Marvel.
So, I doubt you can still prove it as canon for DC. But even with Marvel, it becomes onesided crossover. So, Doctor Strangefate scales from good ol' Doc Strange fully (what he had at the time I mean), and from what Doctor Fate showed in the crossover itself
Yes, it does require actual work to prove it to be part of Marvel (maybe even DC), but it isn’t disqualified in any way.
Seems like someone never read Unlimited Access #4, where it is stated directly that they will forget everything. Poor Access, no one ever reads his stuffAlso, during JLA/Avengers, the respective teams did not recognise each other from the Amalgam crossover.
Marduk Kurios is the satan who is the father of Daimon and Satana Hellstrom, while Lucifer is the satan who has occasionally been responsible for Johnny Blaze becoming Ghost Rider (basically, Ghost Rider comics have frequently retconned and unretconned Mephisto or Lucifer being the satanic figure in Ghost Rider's origin. Also, "Satan" is an alias that all hell-lords share and compete for to claim the fundamental power granted by that title). While Marvel database treats them as separate due to a handbook treating them as different beings, ArmorChompy argued against the distinction years ago.Also, what do you all think about splitting the Marduk Kurios page? It seems like the Marvel Comics wiki has already done so.
I can add it if you unlock the profile.Okay. That information should preferably be mentioned in a footnote within Marduk's page in our wiki in that case.
Done.I have done so.
I can't wait to dig into thisHere's the first CRT of many to result from my exhaustive, 2300-issue Thor readthrough! Please enjoy
Champion of Midgard: The Thor Odinson MegaCRT
After nearly a year in the works, my Thor readthrough is completed, indexed, and processed. I'm hoping that this exhaustive, comprehensive readthrough will serve as the standard for the character's profile for the foreseeable future, as it takes into account thousands of scans of feats...vsbattles.com
I'm excited to hear your thoughts!
Your level of detail is really good and the amount of receipts you prepared with profiles and links is something I really want to do for the Ghost Riders
Thank you! You totally should. That would be amazing!
