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That definitely needs to happen at some point.
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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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This might be a dumb question, but what's the cutoff between 2-C and 2-B?
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2-C: Low Multiverse level
Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses composed of two to a thousand separate space-time continuums, or an equivalent.2-B: Multiverse level
Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy larger multiverses composed of 1001 to any higher finite amount of separate space-time continuums.
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If it helps there is a respect thread for cannonball.
Unrelated, how would this team be named since the previous one was 1960s Team?
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Is there an approval process for making new profiles? I'm going to start creating a bunch of missing Thor characters
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you can create any non-tier 1 profile without CRT, but for tier 1, you need a CRT
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Good to know. Pretty much everything I'm making will be tier 1 lol
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An awesome image of Galactus:
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Hi, I'd like to talk to Marvel supporters on this wiki regarding this document, which you might have seen was posted by a certain Top-Can on Reddit (me).
It's a very long read. What it does is basically:
1. Debunk Tier 2, 1, 0
2. Debunk VSBW's methodology
3. Debunk common poor arguments in the hobby
4. Debunks Marvel and DC (most important to this thread in particular)
The more objective you think powerscaling is, the more relevant it is to you.
It's a very long read. What it does is basically:
1. Debunk Tier 2, 1, 0
2. Debunk VSBW's methodology
3. Debunk common poor arguments in the hobby
4. Debunks Marvel and DC (most important to this thread in particular)
The more objective you think powerscaling is, the more relevant it is to you.
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no one even reaches universal+ level?
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As in, the entire basis for Tier 2 is wrong. To keep things simple, what Tier 2 implies is infinite power. In addition to my usual sayings about infinite power (which can be found in the document), it has these problems:
1. Space-time destruction cannot be quantified in terms of raw power
2. Uncountable additivity when applied to space/time means everything is infinitely large/old respectively
3. The concept of being able to destroy 2 universes making you infinitely stronger than someone who can destroy 1 universe comes from nowhere
4. Being able to destroy Aleph-1 spaces (What Tier 2 defenders think a universe is) means that destroying 1 universe is the same as destroying infinitely many of them
Tier 1, 1-A, and 0 are also false.
EDIT: The most relevant section is the part where I go over Marvel's 1-A claims and debunk them. I would like for counterarguments, if any, to be made.
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It can be quantified as 4-D
No, it means it’s infinite compared to a single moment in time(an infinite 3-D object), there are uncountably infinite points in any finite sized portion of time, meaning that destroying time and space is no matter what uncountably infinitely more powerful then destroying space
in order to destroy two universes you have to effect a seperate time if it’s actual universes, destroying one universe doesn’t always mean your effecting time
No, aleph 1 is only equal to infinity times aleph 1 in comparison to finite numbers, in comparison to the aleph 1s themselves it’s obviously an infinite gap
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This is good. Finally someone who can respond.
Dimensional tiering is false as I have proven, so that's besides the point.
Yes, and that means any object is infinitely old due to having uncountably infinite points with non-zero measure, and is infinitely large due to time and space being two sides of the same coin.
This doesn't justify an infinite gap. The logic does not follow.
None of this makes sense. Aleph 1 x Aleph 1 = Aleph 1, the same amount.
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You haven’t proven it though
Not how that works, it’s uncountably infinite because it’s affecting the combination of time and space, not because it’s affecting time, space isn’t a another side of the same coin as the combination of space and time
Affecting both the time and space of a universe is infinitely above only affecting the space of a universe
relative to us yes, not relative to itself, obviously an infinite number of any one thing is going to be superior to a single one of it, they just appear the same in relation to a finite number
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It's in the document. Do you want me to copy and paste the quite lengthy debunk here?
Can you explain how this works in more detail? I want to understand your case the best I can.
You asserted this. You didn't argue for it.
No. This is basic arthimetic. Infinity times 2 is infinity. Infinity times 3 is infinity. What is being quantified here is the space-time being destroyed, which is in all cases, the same. See here: https://truebeautyofmath.com/lesson-12-infinity-times-infinity-infinity/
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Make a thread lol, also we don't allow for Google Docs to be posted because of the privacy risk
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I'm not making a CRT because I'm not interested in that and also I disagree with the fundamental premise behind it. I'm here to get counter arguments against my document, that's all.
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Yeah and that ain't related to shit and it's a privacy risk.
Do it elsewhere
Do it elsewhere
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Okay fair enough!
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That line just says he can lift 800 pounds or more not really a limit, but anyways, handbooks and whatnot are not considered valid sources for a characters limit for anything because they are constantly contradicted by actual feats, no one by marvel handbooks and statements even would be capable of lifting over 1000 tons but we have many feats of street levels doing over that by a lot
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Handbooks and official online sources are merely secondary canon, and back in the 80s and 90s, all the characters could lift were 1 to 10 tons in those handbooks. Plus... There's the "or more" part.
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Then what about this…
From the things profile
I do, however, agree that most people who work in Marvel wouldn’t really know everything and would miss or misunderstand feats perhaps
But I also feel like comic characters should have way more different kinds of profiles or keys
Since most comics will basically contradict one another
This just kinda cope tho
, briefly lift 800 pounds or more would mean within that range
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This just kinda cope tho
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Antivasima is highly against scaling using handbooks and has a strong opinion on it.
Each author when writing a story makes their interpretation of the character even then there are cases where the author admits to being inconsistent even in their own story, there is no way to make a key for every writer even more so for popular characters who have multiple books in the same year.
In comics here there are different rules as you can read in the page of Marvel/DC rules. We just try to find the most consistent out of all the inconsistencies.
I saw you being active in some anime/manga and never actually saw you in comics, so it's better you inform yourself of the rules before being active here.
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Yee… I will most likely never try powerscaling comics then
It seems way too messy, and “consistency” will still depend from person to person, for me it just seems to mostly divert from truth and instead make it more come down to a select group of individuals agreeing with one another on how things should be powerscaled
Either way, I just wanted to know how comics statements work for vsb on blatant inconsistencies and such
I do wanna try to get into comics tho (reading)
The bait only comes from oneself in this case
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I do agree here, the era of composited comic profiles should end.
Agree²
The bait only comes from oneself in this case
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Larping mostly means to act invested into something that they aren’t actually into and using it to fit in or to gain something (which comes into them lying)I do agree here, the era of composited comic profiles should end.
Agree²
If I larping onto comics it would be a loss tho
no disrespect, it is seen as a nerdy/loserish thing nglIf I “larped” in general, I would then go along with people, I directly go against the majority, even myself
so that title is impossible for me 
Then you should change it
But fr tho, different looks, different behavior, different feats, different everything besides just having a select type of base character to represent in a comic shouldn’t mean the same
If you’re going to ignore the inconsistencies, you should instead ignore how it’s all the same character being actually portrayed
Keys or different linked profiles greatly helps with that, which I’ve already seen some from DC/Marvel characters I think, although I don’t remember if it was comics
But ayy, that’s just me tho… it is what it is currently
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Larping mostly means to act invested into something that they aren’t actually into and using it to fit in or to gain something (which comes into them lying)
If I larping onto comics it would be a loss tho
If I “larped” in general, I would then go along with people, I directly go against the majority, even myself
I already did a part of it, just look at Moon Knight (there's still a few things I gotta do and fix).Then you should change it
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A user made changes in the Marvel Comics page. Is the changes reliable (was accepted somewhere or smth?)?
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Looks good, based on this:
Marvel's Comics' Magnificent Mystic Cosmology full of Marvelous Magic!
So here is the Mystic Cosmology Blog I've been working on for Marvel. Asides from explaining the mystic universe and its various dimensions, this also provides better context for realms such as the Astral Plane and their tiering, and further explains the 1-A nature of Eternity via him...
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They did what we wouldn't even bother, lmao. It's based on previous CRTs, it's all good (at this moment, it's about to change again).
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W... But what am I looking at
, It's so cluttered 
Is all of it even necessary information? And then does all of the images need to be separate?
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Dude, this is a character with over 600+ issues, decades worth content only about him. If you find this cluttered, imagine Thor, who has 1000+ and enough content to make 3 or even 4 profiles filled with more information than Moon Knight. Truth is that all profiles should be like that, with a few polishes that is.W... But what am I looking at
Is all of it even necessary information? And then does all of the images need to be separate?
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Different looks is because of a combination of the fact that they have multiple costumes, and the art style changes, different behavior is because a lot of them have a extremely complicated personalities and try to act a different way then how they feel, different feats is just normal inconsistency that all of fiction has, and plus a lot of their lower end feats are casual feats
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Was the information that Demogoblin has 1-A power removed yet as I instructed? That is blatantly ridiculous.
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Since he seems to scale to being "Omni-Dimensional" and having Franklin Richards power, Low 1-A is much more appropriate than 1-A regardlessWas the information that Demogoblin has 1-A power removed yet as I instructed? That is blatantly ridiculous.
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