The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[ObberGobb]

I was just thinking: if both Thor and Hulk have many 1-A feats, could that maybe mean Hyperion's 1-A Incursion feat isn't an outlier and he could be counted among the "God Tiers" I mentioned earlier?

And I again wonder if scaling to a whole reality is inherently 1-A. Like we used to have Odin at High 1-B for scaling to the "inner contents" of a reality. Like these characters aren't "beyond dimensional" so is there a lower tier they should scale to instead?

 

[FentyBeauty]

I tried to find it, but there were no results on Read-Comics-Online

noo like its actually from the comic i told u

i read that on marvel unlimited so maybe its js not on the piracy sites or something

 

[Excellence616]

How long do you think will last the Infernal Hulk event?

3

 

[Excellence616]

I was just thinking: if both Thor and Hulk have many 1-A feats, could that maybe mean Hyperion's 1-A Incursion feat isn't an outlier and he could be counted among the "God Tiers" I mentioned earlier?

Thor and Hulk 1-A can be argue as them being different or empowered by beings on that level.

And I again wonder if scaling to a whole reality is inherently 1-A. Like we used to have Odin at High 1-B for scaling to the "inner contents" of a reality. Like these characters aren't "beyond dimensional" so is there a lower tier they should scale to instead?

Depends. it can be Low 2-C, 2-A like Eric Thor feat or Low 1-A.

 

[Entity]

3

3 days?

 

[Antvasima]

He probably means 3 issues.

 

[Re5yh]

noo like its actually from the comic i told u

i read that on marvel unlimited so maybe its js not on the piracy sites or something

Opps, I already found it. And she has now Perception Manipulation

 

[Excellence616]

3 days?

Issues

 

[Excellence616]

Some resistances additions for Sentry (comics version)

I recently discovered some powers and abilities that Sentry has resistance, so let's get to the point: Electricity Manipulation: Fine after being strucked by a massive lightning bolt created by Thor and unaffected by a venom blast to the face from Spider-Woman (Siege #3 and New Avengers (2005)...

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[AcidSilver]

Clea is the only one who fits here. People forgot that being Sorcerer Supreme isn't just a cool title that comes with a power boost, it's an actual job. Even the One World Under Doom tie-ins show that Doom is giga garbage at being the Sorcerer Supreme since he either makes other people do the things he's supposed to do like with Spider-Man or he just straight up doesn't do them like with the magical wards on the sun. Clea is the only one who has shown to have both the skill and is responsible enough to do the job. None of the other candidates match that criteria.

 

[AcidSilver]

BENJAMIN J. GRIMM, THE EVER LOVING BLUE-EYED THING!

 

[Antvasima]

I like that. Although it is Stormbreaker, not Mjolnir.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

I like that. Although it is Stormbreaker, not Mjolnir.

Close enough, I say. Let him have the win.

 

[AcidSilver]

According to the Marvel wiki, Stormbreaker also has a worthiness enchantment. At least as recently as 2019. So Ben would also be worthy to lift Mjolnir.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. It makes sense if we ignore his old John Byrne (and possibly Stan Lee) characterisation of enthusiastically endorsing genocide against aliens.

 

[Entity]

Okay. It makes sense if we ignore his old John Byrne (and possibly Stan Lee) characterisation of enthusiastically endorsing genocide against aliens.

Values change with time

 

[Antvasima]

Thankfully yes in this case, although John Byrne himself seems to have been extremely consistent in his views over the decades.

 

[Excellence616]

Tomura Shigaraki Vs Hulk (My Hero Academia Vs Marvel Comics) [0-0-0]

Tomura Shigaraki Vs Hulk Childlike Hulk is used Completed Shigaraki is used Speed is equalized Fight takes place in an inhabited planet Starting Distance: 240 meters Hulk is limited to 5-B since his rage power is restricted Symbol of Fear: The Strongest One There is:

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[Entity]

Is there a discord I can join for vsbw Marvel discussions?

 

[Excellence616]

Is there a discord I can join for vsbw Marvel discussions?

yes

 

[Entity]

yes

is there a link?

 

[ObberGobb]

Reading Silver/Bronze Age Avengers comics has turned Vision into one of my favorite characters. He's very cool and interesting.

 

[Excellence616]

Reading Silver/Bronze Age Avengers comics has turned Vision into one of my favorite characters. He's very cool and interesting.

How powerful is he?

 

[ObberGobb]

How powerful is he?

So far (I'm at issue #100), he is considered to be the strongest Avenger second to Thor. Whenever he fights other heavy-hitters on the team like Iron Man or Goliath, they can't really do anything at all to him. Whenever he loses, its usually because they have some direct counter to his abilities. Like he lost to a Kree Sentry, but that was because the Sentry developed a counter to his intangibility that made it hurt him when he tried to use it. Hank Pym mused to himself that if Vision ever went rogue, he wans't sure if the whole team would be able to stop him. He did functionally get one-shot by Enchantress (with Enchantress being weakened by her exile), but Enchantress is extremely strong so its not that bad of an anti-feat.

 

[Excellence616]

So far (I'm at issue #100), he is considered to be the strongest Avenger second to Thor. Whenever he fights other heavy-hitters on the team like Iron Man or Goliath, they can't really do anything at all to him. Whenever he loses, its usually because they have some direct counter to his abilities. Like he lost to a Kree Sentry, but that was because the Sentry developed a counter to his intangibility that made it hurt him when he tried to use it. Hank Pym mused to himself that if Vision ever went rogue, he wans't sure if the whole team would be able to stop him. He did functionally get one-shot by Enchantress (with Enchantress being weakened by her exile), but Enchantress is extremely strong so its not that bad of an anti-feat.

Since he still has unknown on his profile

 

[ObberGobb]

Since he still has unknown on his profile

Yeah, I'm looking to fix that. So far I'm thinking "Varies up to 5-B." He probably has potential for 3-C though

 

[Excellence616]

Removing a Man-Thing key and profile

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Man-Thing_(Pre-Rebirth) Recently I saw my Man-Thing profile was locked, and it was because someone added a High 1-A key for it. The issue is that this key is done terribly: It has zero P&A associated to it, and technically it shouldn't belong on Man-Thing's...

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[Sparkive]

So, I realized that Collective Man's calculation had small errors and was outdated by current standards, so I recalc it.

Collective Man's punches Redone (Marvel Comics)

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[Osemere]

I was just thinking: if both Thor and Hulk have many 1-A feats, could that maybe mean Hyperion's 1-A Incursion feat isn't an outlier and he could be counted among the "God Tiers" I mentioned earlier?

And I again wonder if scaling to a whole reality is inherently 1-A. Like we used to have Odin at High 1-B for scaling to the "inner contents" of a reality. Like these characters aren't "beyond dimensional" so is there a lower tier they should scale to instead?

It’s a greater difficulty, given the blatant interpretation of Hickman’s that the Beyonders were effecting that level of destruction by literally throwing two macrocosms at each other like billiard balls, while Hyperion was able to hold them apart for a bit (before they shattered on their own weight) by just standing straddled between the two colliding Earths and screaming really hard. It’s more of an anti-feat for 1-A than anything.

 

[Sparkive]

Collective-man's Ap calc fix

This will be quick I redid the calc for Collective-man's Ap Old version - New version What changed? Currently, the human level is 60-106 joules, unlike the previous version where the tier was 40-100 joules. The number of China's population had no source to justify it, and the producer of the...

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[SamanPatou]

I've just written issue 6 of One World Under Doom and let me tell you something, it feels it was written by a powerscaler, given the events and terminology utilized.

 

[Antvasima]

In issue #8, Doom even mentions that the superheroes' combined power used for a week compressed into a picosecond of time in terms of intensity wouldn't be sufficient to harm him, if I remember correctly. That is a very powerscaling way of looking at things.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

In issue #8, Doom even mentions that the superheroes' combined power used for a week compressed into a picosecond of time in terms of intensity wouldn't be sufficient to harm him, if I remember correctly. That is a very powerscaling way of looking at things.

Then again, I feel if anybody can get away with saying something like that, it's Doom.

 

[Eseseso]

In issue #8, Doom even mentions that the superheroes' combined power used for a week compressed into a picosecond of time in terms of intensity wouldn't be sufficient to harm him, if I remember correctly. That is a very powerscaling way of looking at things.

I mean all the heroes are holding back on Earth anyways, and SS Doom at his peak was on par with a Dormammu outside of the Dark Dimension, so nothing too extreme power-scaling wise.

 

[That_moron2]

I've just written issue 6 of One World Under Doom and let me tell you something, it feels it was written by a powerscaler, given the events and terminology utilized.

You wrote One World Under Doom?

 

[SamanPatou]

In issue #8, Doom even mentions that the superheroes' combined power used for a week compressed into a picosecond of time in terms of intensity wouldn't be sufficient to harm him, if I remember correctly. That is a very powerscaling way of looking at things.

Yeah, I meant to say issue 8, not 6.

Anyway,:

Spoiler: Spoiler

The use of "Ice Manipulation" in regards to Iceman, Doom replicating M-Day through Scarlet Witch's chaos magic, Sue using her powers to channel all the heroes' energies, the combined hammer and the large shot of Castle Doom being destroyed, it all feels like either a videogame, a fanfiction or someone skimming through a Doctor Doom respect thread or smth to find ways to have him defeat all other heroes.

You wrote One World Under Doom?

I wish, I'd be on a rolling comic book career.

 

[ObberGobb]

Would Doctor Strange scale to Sorcerer Supreme Doom?

 

[Re5yh]

Should Doctor Strange have a High 1-A key. If yes, then will it be Lord of Shamballah

 

[SamanPatou]

Would Doctor Strange scale to Sorcerer Supreme Doom?

No, because Doom became this strong because

Spoiler: Spoiler

He captured the whole (or a major portion I don't quite remember) population of Latveria and sealed then into power/psyche/energy/emotion/lifeforce/whatever absorbing spheres that constantly empower him, making him able to handle numerous different combinations of spells and magics simultaneously at a degree which surprised even Strange himself, who was the first to suspect something fishy was going on since the beginning. In shorts, Doom's Sorcerer Supreme key is heavily tied to Preparation

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, and Dormammu outside of the Dark Dimension was STILL too much for Doom to handle until the Scarlet Witch and the other superheroes helped out with distracting Dormammu. So Doom's higher than Doctor Strange performances weren't that weird with that in mind.