They show Eternity and Oblivion as inferior to the Living Tribunal, so they are definitely inside of Multi-Eternity, then it is said that Eternity abandoned the universe and if it was Multi-Eternity it couldn't be, the House of Ideas was moved somewhere, so it can't be the residence of the true form of The One Above All. They continue to talk about the universe, I don't recall them even mentioning the Multiverse
But how can universal Eternity abandon it if the universe is Eternity itself? And I don't know how I feel about universal WHR and Land.
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And do not forget the universal House of Ideas
I already didn't like the addition of the Black Winter and the retcon of Galactus as its herald, it would have been okay if the Black Winter just was the tool used by the Beyonders to destroy the old Cosmo and create a new one.
The fact is that this comicbook is strange as to how it treats the Abstracts, technically these should be Universal aspects of the Black Winter, while the one Thor killed was a Multiversal one, but this comicbook keeps treating multiversal aspects of the Marvel's cosmology as part of the single Earth-616. I mean, is this a retcon of the whole cosmology and now we have universal aspects of every being, TOAA included?
I still don't understand where the Elder Gods scale...
Did she have some power-ups?
I think it’s funny how this isn’t even that narrative-breaking (to, at least, our narrative) compared to what Hickman did since it’s the equivalent of “sandbox writing” effectively. You can just bend over backwards to say things like “actually every universe has a copy of the multiverse, just scaled down!” to get around this, and it might work, in terms of actually not just blowing up what we currently accept and how the standards work in applying those accepted things.The Storm comicbooks are not remotely my favourite stories either. Just hollowly written ridiculously enormous power-inflation for the sake of itself, and no other point whatsoever, and the black winter is now supposedly retconned into just being one of many such servants of the Mesopotamian thunder deity Hadad, for the sole purpose of undermining Thor and making him a fourth rate Storm.
This seems like extremely petty and narrative-breaking storytelling by somebody who has read way too much Lionel Suggs or similar writers.
The only positive thing I can say about it, is that if Marvel Comics absolutely has to promote an official Mary Sue/Gary Stu, at least Storm is a less awful choice than Thanos used to be.
Let's hope that Storm eventually gets Jim Starlin's Thanos treatment with "it was all just a dream" or "it was a practical joke by the One Above All to see if Storm would turn into a hollow ranting egomaniac", which she did, or similar, but that seems unlikely.
Please elaborate. I also think that we are likely greatly exaggerating the scale of the cosmology by stacking all contradictory interpretations by different writers on top of each other.
Dominions are just super-AIs that have amassed so much computational power that they are capable of simulating entire universes and jumping throughout them without heeding linearity, reaching a point of processing that the energy capacity of their computation collapses the space-time around them into a singularity. Hickman then has multiple Dominions combined together into a super-Dominion (the Enigma) who is beyond the abstracts and can only be challenged by the Phoenix Force effectively.Please elaborate. I also think that we are likely greatly exaggerating the scale of the cosmology by stacking all contradictory interpretations by different writers on top of each other.
Yeah, I was being somewhat facetious there, if you couldn’t tell. I think we should generally avoid another possible disaster with splitting everything which other settings have experienced simply because of their own attempted solutions to problems like these…
Although I dislike splits, I feel like sometimes it can be a better approach than repeating the same discussions time and time again because of inconsistencies.
Aside, this reminds me of the guy writing Miles Morales as a shonen MC (which, to be fair, kinda works for him) where he gets a bunch of powers like lightning laser swords, dialed to 11. The issue with this is that as soon as these people leave these books editorial is going to have to deal with the problem of why these characters don’t just solve everything since they’re uber-duper-powerful, which is one of the issues Ewing tried to deal with while coming after Cates for Thor.
I saw somebody claim that last one might have been mandated by Tom Breevort, as it apparently contradicts how Doom was depicted in stuff like Blood Hunt and Doom Academy, but I haven't read any of these comics, so I can't really say much...
He bombs Shelbyville earlier in the OWUD arc with a nuke just to punish Winter Soldier for trying to sabotage his plans.
Doom's points are also full of crap when you realize that he's guilty for doing the exact same things. He could peacefully share his advancements with the world but instead he limits it to Latveria and uses everything else to kill the Fantastic Four and/or take over the world. Even when he had the power to shape the multiverse to his whims he ended up making the absolute nightmare hellhole that was Battleworld instead of making an actual utopia.
Yeah, the method of them getting to Overspace would be the problem there, since the idea is that they accumulate so much computing power that they effectively “fall through” reality due to generating so much density, falling so far through they land outside of space-time itself. The way Hickman formats it is that there’s a “critical density” of intelligence you can accumulate, and once you have enough super-minds together you become a Dominion, and you can add Dominions up to get super-Dominions (like Enigma). Of course, adding arbitrarily large quantities of one specific substance (in this case, compute) would never be able to reach 1-A levels on its own, especially if this transformation was done specifically through reaching such a threshold of generating infinite density and “unmooring” yourself from relativistic space-time.
And he barely shares his stuff with Latveria either (though modern comics seem to make Latveria a developed country finally).
I read blood hunt and Doom academy he barely shows up, even in Doom academy all he did was shown up to save the kids from some magic book creatures becoming real, and in blood hunt all he did was manipulate strange to became sorcerer supreme.
Strongly agreed.
That was almost Ewing's official explanation, yes, but, as I have stated previously, Ewing has also overpowered plenty of other characters, including Storm, far beyond Thor's Cates level, so, given the context of the overall treatment of Thor by most Marvel writers, I think that Ewing was likely insincere in his answer, and that there is an overall prejudice against Thor because he is a cisgendered male heterosexual scandinavian former viking, which is seemingly considered automatically extremely politically incorrect by them in comparison to the characters that Ewing heavily helped to overpower.
Strongly agreed, and let's not forget that Doom also blew up an entire populated universe, just because he felt spiteful about that his counterpart there was a well-adjusted happy family man who had helped to turn his world into an utopia... as opposed to the absolutely nightmarishly dystopian amoral cosmic horror mess that is Marvel Comics as a whole.
dude stop brining real world politics to this threadStrongly agreed.
That was almost Ewing's official explanation, yes, but, as I have stated previously, Ewing has also overpowered plenty of other characters, including Storm, far beyond Thor's Cates level, so, given the context of the overall treatment of Thor by most Marvel writers, I think that Ewing was likely insincere in his answer, and that there is an overall prejudice against Thor because he is a cisgendered male heterosexual scandinavian former viking, which is seemingly considered automatically extremely politically incorrect by them in comparison to the characters that Ewing heavily helped to overpower.
Mind you, given the absolutely destructive mess that the cisgendered "caucasian" male heterosexual population of the United States has currently helped to unleash upon the world by electing Donald Trump as president, I can definitely understand that the progressive writers are feeling bitter about it, but I don't want them to project that bitterness into systematically undermining potentially great characters that have nothing to do with it.
...on a discussion thread?
This, plus there is a scan indicating how Dominions are similar to gods in how belief gives them power
Yeah, it’s definitely not narrative-breaking in terms of what’s accepted in Marvel, it would just be standard-breaking in terms of what’s codified on this wiki.
The 5-B tiers are broken as well (as Impress has noted and is trying to solve), and there definitely is a broken chain from 3-C to L1-C as seen in Black Bolt’s 3-C justification including him harming Thanos with his voice even though Thanos in base is just rated as L1-C. And that’s after a good 30 seconds of searching through the 3-C tiers, btw.
