The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[PromptedElephant641]

It should be noted that all she acomplished against Dominions is stings them a bit, and even that she claims is only because of the nature of the Overspace. She doesn't harm them in any significant way.

Even poking a High-1A being is pretty much a High-1A feat, so harming them in any capacity is a massive outlier. This is a rare L moment for Al Ewing’s cosmic writing.

 

[ObberGobb]

Even poking a High-1A being is pretty much a High-1A feat, so harming them in any capacity is a massive outlier. This is a rare L moment for Al Ewing’s cosmic writing.

Blue Marvel fought White Phoenix in the White Hot Room, so I think it's a case like that. Like how Dominions are weaker when they lower into the Multiverse, perhaps Storm rises to their level when in their realm.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

That’s not nearly enough to justify a High-1A feat. While it does provide adequate explanation for the other stuff on her 1A section of her profile, the Dominion feat is incomprehensibly beyond anything she can do or draw upon and as such should be removed for being an outlier.

Sure but that doesn't make it not an outlier, since she is never treated as being a character stronger than Beyonders.

She is also stated to be a superior god to the Adversary during a Black Panther run where the Adversary was superior to the Orisha (West African Gods), a subset of the Ennead that includes beings like Thoth, a son of Demiurge and Gaea (much like Atum) and primordial rival of the Elder God Set who's fought him in close combat for eons, and Bast, who has chain-scaling to Atum. Keep in mind that the Elder Gods were broadly depicted in Immortal Thor as a greater threat than Nyx, who is accepted as White Hot Room level.

She was Eternity's Herald, so definitely is weaker than him.

I admittedly didn't pay too much attention to Storm, but wasn't she disrespecting he and Infinity's authority?

And iirc, Storm's writer said that the story where that happened was universal in scope. We can upgrade a character to High 1-A based on one feat, that's insane.

3 feats, actually.

Being superior to the Adversary.

Harming the Dominions.

Matching the oppositional entities of the Phoenix Force in the Dark Cold Room.

Also, didn't that same author say that universal and multiversal abstracts are interchangeable?

As already stated, she says she is only able to harm them due to the nature of the realm and that Magneto could have done the same.

and even that she claims is only because of the nature of the Overspace.

Nope, she says she hopes her power is symbolic enough to work on them. She says this because right before appearing before the Dominions, she loses the symbolic power she held in the Well Beyond Worlds, where she had various dialogue with characters like Tarn and Ashake about how she comprehends the strength of symbols in magic and consequently the nature of the Well Beyond Worlds, whereas the Dominions were something she couldn't fathom.

When Storm ponders if Magneto went through the same thing as her, she's talking about how unnerved she felt when the Dominions performed information analysis on her. She wonders this because the Dominions told her that they performed the same information analysis on Magneto and tossed him aside.

Blue Marvel fought White Phoenix in the White Hot Room, so I think it's a case like that. Like how Dominions are weaker when they lower into the Multiverse, perhaps Storm rises to their level when in their realm.

White Phoenix Taaia was unscathed from his attack, and immediately vanished and ignored him because her various multi-location manifestations throughout the White Hot Room in places like a tundra, construction site in outer space, and white page represented an internal struggle where the Phoenix was debating whether to let the Defenders pass, or outright burn into nothingness.

 

[MrKerf]

Nope, she says she hopes her power is symbolic enough to work on them. She says this because right before appearing before the Dominions, she loses the symbolic power she held in the Well Beyond Worlds, where she had various dialogue with characters like Tarn and Ashake about how she comprehends the strength of symbols in magic and consequently the nature of the Well Beyond Worlds, whereas the Dominions were something she couldn't fathom.

When Storm ponders if Magneto went through the same thing as her, she's talking about how unnerved she felt when the Dominions performed information analysis on her. She wonders this because the Dominions told her that they performed the same information analysis on Magneto and tossed him aside.

I think there's more of an implication that her enitre journey was governed by magic, as nothing in the scan suggests that she lost that symbolic power, if anything. Similarly, it is heavily implied that she beats the Dark Cold Squad not with power specifically, but by standing as life against darkness.
And she does ponder if Magneto attempted to harness this symbolic power to fight back.

3 feats, actually.

Being superior to the Adversary.

Harming the Dominions.

Matching the oppositional entities of the Phoenix Force in the Dark Cold Room.

Also, didn't that same author say that universal and multiversal abstracts are interchangeable?

No, actually. He says that he considers Eternity to be a hive-mind, so every universal Eternity know 616 Storm, for example.

Now, both Dominions and Dark Cold Squad are questionable feats.

One of the Adversary scans is missing, but from the context she doesn't have that power, but momentarily gains it through Wakanda's faith. The greater god is purely hyperbolic here.

So... I'd put it as 0 feats.

White Phoenix Taaia was unscathed from his attack, and immediately vanished and ignored him because her various multi-location manifestations throughout the White Hot Room in places like a tundra, construction site in outer space, and white page represented an internal struggle where the Phoenix was debating whether to let the Defenders pass, or outright burn into nothingness.

I don't have much to comment on that, since there's no way your argument is Blue Marvel is unharmed by the Phoenix in the WHR, without any external amps. Though if anything, I'd put it as another outlier.

 

[ObberGobb]

She is also stated to be a superior god to the Adversary during a Black Panther run where the Adversary was superior to the Orisha (West African Gods), a subset of the Ennead that includes beings like Thoth, a son of Demiurge and Gaea (much like Atum)

Ennead also includes Seth, who is weaker than Odin, Thor, and Loki. The Egyptian Pantheon isn't that much stronger than the Norse one. Atum is stronger in his Elder God form, but in his "lower" form, he is basically just Skyfather level. Odin impersonated him for a while.

Also, on Adversary's profile we accept him as being comparable to Mephisto and such. If he's not that should probably be fixed

 

[AcidSilver]

If Storm could unironically defeat multiple Dominions then she could’ve beaten Enigma by herself instead of it needing an amped version of the Phoenix to trap him in a deathloop. Storm being that strong just goes completely against every comic’s plot where she’s involved in.

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Additionally, the Elder Gods are the least consistent and coherent group of entities in the entire Marvel cosmology. They very in power MASSIVELY. Nyx is not even an Elder God but a vastly greater being. The oppositional entities of the Cold Dark Room were just beings that were summoned to fight Storm in order to test her, they are not the primary residents nor do they scale to the Cold Dark Room in any capacity. It is also unknown if the entities depicted in The Cold Dark Room are even the original versions of these characters at their full power so it is not possible to draw any conclusions from this one way or the other. It is likely all metaphorical anyway as Storm's fight between these entities appears to Magneto and Shadow King as pieces on a chess board. In all reality, it is likely that the entire story is mostly metaphorical in nature. In their true forms, The Phoenix Force is the fire and light, the Tiger God is its eternal rival kept away by the light, and Nyx is the darkness that encompasses both. There is nothing in Immortal Thor that would put the Elder Gods even close to Nyx, as the darkness encompassing the phoenix force and tiger god, in power and importance in the Cosmic hierarchy, nor do Elder Gods scale to Nyx in any way shape or form. Nyx has her usual in universe forms, and in these forms she is a part of many pantheons including the Greek, where she gained the name Nyx, and in the Norse where she is referred to as Nott. These appearances are obviously not her true entirety, and scaling to them only grants one superiority to Skyfather tier characters such as Zeus, Odin, and Thor.

Anyways, there really is not much else to be said here. Storm breathing in the presence of a Dominion is an outlier, let alone damaging 8 at the same time .

While we are on the topic of The Resurrection of Magneto, the actual most interesting part of the comic is the fact that the light blue Ego Gem of Nemesis is displayed alongside the 6 regular Infinity Gems.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

I've got some fun stuff related to Nyx, but I'll save that for the Thor thread

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Additionally, the Elder Gods are the least consistent and coherent group of entities in the entire Marvel cosmology. They very in power MASSIVELY. Nyx is not even an Elder God but a vastly greater being. The oppositional entities of the Cold Dark Room were just beings that were summoned to fight Storm in order to test her, they are not the primary residents nor do they scale to the Cold Dark Room in any capacity. It is also unknown if the entities depicted in The Cold Dark Room are even the original versions of these characters at their full power so it is not possible to draw any conclusions from this one way or the other. It is likely all metaphorical anyway as Storm's fight between these entities appears to Magneto and Shadow King as pieces on a chess board. In all reality, it is likely that the entire story is mostly metaphorical in nature. In their true forms, The Phoenix Force is the fire and light, the Tiger God is its eternal rival kept away by the light, and Nyx is the darkness that encompasses both. There is nothing in Immortal Thor that would put the Elder Gods even close to Nyx, as the darkness encompassing the phoenix force and tiger god, in power and importance in the Cosmic hierarchy, nor do Elder Gods scale to Nyx in any way shape or form. Nyx has her usual in universe forms, and in these forms she is a part of many pantheons including the Greek, where she gained the name Nyx, and in the Norse where she is referred to as Nott. These appearances are obviously not her true entirety, and scaling to them only grants one superiority to Skyfather tier characters such as Zeus, Odin, and Thor.

Anyways, there really is not much else to be said here. Storm breathing in the presence of a Dominion is an outlier, let alone damaging 8 at the same time .

While we are on the topic of The Resurrection of Magneto, the actual most interesting part of the comic is the fact that the light blue Ego Gem of Nemesis is displayed alongside the 6 regular Infinity Gems.

Out of curiosity, do you favor High 1-A for Nyx?

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Out of curiosity, do you favor High 1-A for Nyx?

Nyx as portrayed as the emodiment of the darkness that contains the Tiger God and surrounds the fire of The Phoenix is definitely High-1A. Depictions of her outside of this context, such as when she is a member of godly pantheons like the Greek or Norse or as a universal embodiment of darkness, start at skyfather level+ and above.