The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[MrKerf]

Also, Jim Starlin has never explicitly acknowledged/used Oblivion as a character, and has an extremely lowballed lack of understanding of the full scale of the Marvel Comics cosmology, as the way he portrays it, it peaks at 2-A, and Starlin's latest Thanos storylines are considered to be non-canon by us, and apparently by Tom Brevoort, due to not fitting with the general cosmology or continuity.

I want to comment on this one. First of all, such editorial statements are clearly unreliable, as 1) Tom also deemed canonical another Thanos trilogy story, which specifically references Thanos: The End. 2) Because Tom was editor of Storm, which clearly references the very same story.

Also, I read the Starlin removal thread, and it is very funny that the vast majority of the stuff there is now completely inaccurate. TOAA portrayed as less omnipotent and not a writer? Canon now. The Living Tribunal portrayed as having universal self? Kinda canon now? The only thing that is kinda off and best to be separated is the Astral Regulator trilogy, the rest would actually fit.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I am mostly opposed to the Astral Regulator trilogy, as it did not fit at all in terms of cosmological scale, severely contradicted established continuity, such as claiming that Ultron killed Mentor rather than Thanos himself, and as it did not make any logical sense for TOAA to be so easily usurped by universal stabilisers of his own creation.

However, I am not fond of Marvel: The End either of course, given that Starlin went berzerk with the hollow and pointless villain suggs egomaniacal power-tripping, and Tom Brevoort did state that it did not work as a part of continuity. Also, its intended editorial purpose, to make it much harder for characters to be resurrected, was completely ignored by other writers.

 

[Eseseso]

I'm with Ant against remerging Brevoort into the main cosmology. Especially since, unlike Demattis, Brevoort said that his works are not meant to be part of main Marvel continuity

 

[Antvasima]

I think that you mean remerging Starlin.

 

[Entity]

In the latest Phoenix run, the Phoenix Force was going to be killed by the Abstracts, a manifestation of Oblivion in particular, while inside of The White Hot Room itself. The Phoenix is considered to be a part of The Abstracts' pantheon and there is no implication of superiority. Jean even states that there is no chance she can win and that The White Hot Room will be destroyed. The Phoenix Force was only saved by the Abstracts being convinced that compassion was needed.

Which doesn't make sense since the Abstracts cannot leave Eternity without dying in the Outside and the Phoenix inside the WHR is stronger than the Beyonders

is also the erroneous assertion that The Elder Gods are more powerful than The Abstracts when that obviously is not the case as seen with The Powers That Be seeing Chthon, one of if not the strongest Elder God, as but one of its practitioners.

Chton is really not the strongest Elder God

 

[MrKerf]

Also, Thanos The End being non canon isn’t even supported in company, as their characters appear in handbooks.

 

[Eseseso]

I think that you mean remerging Starlin.

Yes. If anything, the Starling/Brevoort saga seems to be in the same grand cosmology as Oyodale.

 

[MrKerf]

Yes. If anything, the Starling/Brevoort saga seems to be in the same grand cosmology as Oyodale.

Monumental slander, but incorrect.