The Primal Hunter (Web Novel) 1-A addition

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

This verse doesn't have profiles yet but will be getting them eventually. I just want to get this accepted first.

The System is impossible to comprehend as to comprehend it would be to comprehend everything and even that comprehension of everything would just merely be a part of it. The System is everything and everything is the System. It is beyond quantification or comparison.

Spoiler: Part 1

The System is also the law that encompasses and surpasses all other laws and laws are considered to be something more fundamental than even concepts.

Spoiler: Part 2

Concepts also include the concepts of time and space.

Spoiler: Part 3

This means not only is the System beyond the concepts of time and space, it is also beyond the laws that govern logic (concepts) itself which include concepts of time and space.

The System should be 1-A for completely and utterly surpassing everything, being beyond all comprehension even if that comprehension is everything with concepts or even laws being included in that comprehension.

Laws should be Low 1-A as they would be beyond time and space by being more fundamental than concepts of time and space, as they are more than concepts, and being the very laws which govern concepts.

 

[Reiner04]

Any reason for which u didn't propose Tier 0 for system?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Any reason for which u didn't propose Tier 0 for system?

it's not unchanging

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

it's not unchanging

forgor to include scan

 

[Reiner04]

forgor to include scan

Alight. Then proposal looks good to me.

 

[LOTM_Historian]

I agree, it looks good overall.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Agree, good luck with everything.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Yep pretty straight forward agree

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

bump

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

1-A makes sense to me. Neutral on Low 1-A.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

bump

 

[BreezeHM]

1-A looks good, but can you elaborate on laws being Low 1-A?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

1-A looks good, but can you elaborate on laws being Low 1-A?

They're more fundamental than concepts of space and time which rely on them and are governed by the laws, and laws being "more" than concepts. Basically means with my argument they're beyond dimensions as a whole and thus low 1-A as you cant really ascribe any sort of "dimensionness" to something which governs and is more than what defines dimensions in the first place.

 

[BreezeHM]

They're more fundamental than concepts of space and time which rely on them and are governed by the laws, and laws being "more" than concepts. Basically means with my argument they're beyond dimensions as a whole and thus low 1-A as you cant really ascribe any sort of "dimensionness" to something which governs and is more than what defines dimensions in the first place.

I can see it. In my opinion, all you’re really missing is some sort of superiority statement or laws being indivisible into the concepts. The scans only state that laws are something more than concepts, but the nature of “more” doesn’t exactly mean it’s greater in a sense of tier, when it could be referring to like as you say, more fundamental.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I can see it. In my opinion, all you’re really missing is some sort of superiority statement or laws being indivisible into the concepts. The scans only state that laws are something more than concepts, but the nature of “more” doesn’t exactly mean it’s greater in a sense of tier, when it could be referring to like as you say, more fundamental.

I mean it's an abstract thing which governs the concepts and what they rely on as well as being more. That's same as being more fundamental than them.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I can see it. In my opinion, all you’re really missing is some sort of superiority statement or laws being indivisible into the concepts. The scans only state that laws are something more than concepts, but the nature of “more” doesn’t exactly mean it’s greater in a sense of tier, when it could be referring to like as you say, more fundamental.

have you read the 2nd scan in the same imgur album btw?

 

[BreezeHM]

I mean it's an abstract thing which governs the concepts and what they rely on as well as being more. That's same as being more fundamental than them.

Made a mistake, I meant to say independent from concepts not indivisible.

Laws define what Space and Time is, and are more fundamental than it. I believe Low 1-A is fine if their independence is proven (like a Type 1 concept).

Since then Laws would be an abstraction that defines all concepts including Spade and Time. Separate from Concepts, existing independently and greater than concepts, being something that is not constrained to spatiotemporal things, including SpaceTime structures of arbitrary size.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Made a mistake, I meant to say independent from concepts not indivisible.

Laws define what Space and Time is, and are more fundamental than it. I believe Low 1-A is fine if their independence is proven (like a Type 1 concept).

Since then Laws would be an abstraction that defines all concepts including Spade and Time. Separate from Concepts, existing independently and greater than concepts, being something that is not constrained to spatiotemporal things, including SpaceTime structures of arbitrary size.

If it helps for laws, concepts are independent from their object since they're the "why" something is which means they're the cause of the object (the concept comes first)

Spoiler

(Note that this is from a way way earlier chapter so the laws here arent referring to the laws that govern concepts but are instead referring to the concepts)

 

[BreezeHM]

If it helps for laws, concepts are independent from their object since they're the "why" something is which means they're the cause of the object (the concept comes first)

Looks good to me.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Agree

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

bump

 

[Elizhaa]

These tiers look fine.

 

[Dereck03]

The actual ratings look good Ig, I'm looking forward to seeing the actual profiles.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The actual ratings look good Ig, I'm looking forward to seeing the actual profiles.

I have full faith in @Sonoftanavast9 since his Cradle profiles are pretty well sourced and of high quality.

 

[Reiner04]

Since thread is accepted I'll close it.