The player possible downgrade

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Viewing something as a simulation no longer makes you a higher dimension. Its the same reason why tier 11s are being upgraded and an annoying dog got downgraded. So shouldnt the player be at least high 2-A based on these standards?

 

[Elizhaa]

Qualitative superiority is the key and the view of lower dimesnion as simulation highlight it. Annoying Dog's case has no such statements and even contradicting statements with it been Toby's avatar. The Player is qualitivil supperior to all chracter in in verse that included 5-D being.

In any case, I have to disagree for now.

Here was the old CRT where the Player's Tier was upgraded: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2641235#22

 

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Are you sure you have the right thread? That thread seems to just be an ability revision and he was tier 1 even beforehand

What exactly do you mean by qualitive superiority?

 

[Elizhaa]

Apologies, here is the CRT: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2505049

 

[Elizhaa]

I explained the point the CRT: The Player views it in entire verse that 5-D dimensions as a similation and there valid text in the games, not just an interpolation. Annoying Dog never had any type of Qualitative superiority statements.


Besides, we already accepts verse that clear feat if Qualitative superior for Higher Dimension rating like Umineko no Naku Koro ni's characters are Higher Dimensional or Higher-Dimensional rating for viewing 12-D dimension as lower reality like simple game pieces.

 

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Well, annoying dog isnt my main argument/comparison. Even white face is dimensionally comparable to those who view him and his verse as a simulation as a result of our standards.

Doesnt umineko view lower beings as actual fiction as oppose to a simulation?

So wait, does the player view the entire fifth dimension as a simulation? Or the beings as a simulation? Just viewing beings as such would still warrent him high 2-A since they are data in comparison. If he views the whole fifth dimension as a simulation then im not sure how that flows with the wikis standards. There are high 2-As who can destroy the whole fifth dimension after all. Although in this case, it seems like it can be interpreted both ways.

Is there a standard for what is classed as qualitatively superior? Because im not sure if im picking up the true meaning, sorry.

 

[Elizhaa]

Its view all it verse which included the entire fifth dimension as a simulation, not just beings.

@Read this post, there is no standard for qualitatively superiority to get a Higher Dimensional rating; it is judged on a case by case basis.

 

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I think it is the actual meaning of qualitative superiority i think im getting confused on.

It is entirely possible for a high end fifth dimensional being to view lower fifth dimensional beings as data and create a simulated world out of it. However, if there is proof that the player views the full structure of the fifth dimension and/or exists on a higher reality or dimension than it, as opposed to viewing its contents/what is shown of the fifth dimension as a part of his simulation, then i do agree with you.

 

[Elizhaa]

Higher-Dimensional Existence, I believe elaborated on the superiority.

5-D Energy and knowledge existed so unlikely that Player is refer to as a higher power is part of same world.

 

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I mean, the qualitative superiority can also be dependant in what way they are shown to be superior. While it is a requirement for being higher dimensional, it doesnt really mean its always renders someone higher dimensional. But thats getting a little off topic.

Going by that explanation, it sounds more like it would warrant an "At least High 2-A likely Low 1-C" rating, with the "higher power" explanation being a part of the Low 1-C justification.

Unless you feel comfortable with keeping them as an outright Low 1-C.

 

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Bump. So what do you think?

 

[Elizhaa]

I am conformatable with Low 1-C because it was accepted by multiple staffs knowledgeable with the tiering system from my prior arguments. As the player, is the canon representation of the gamer playing the verse as an game, I am fairly certain the character would be higher-dimensional and from a higher-world compared to the totality of verse because the character cannot be affected by lower beings or characters like human with 5-D technologies or powers, and the verse is fictional to its perspective.

 

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Well, i think that was before i made the whole revision on those made of data so standards may have been different. And a 3D being could be unaffected by 3D coding in similar ways due to power difference. But if low 1-C is fine then i suppose you can close this at least if/until another staff member decides it no longer fits.

 

[Hizack123]

1-C is fine

all 5D being in the game cannot do anything to Player right? And he (or in this case, We) can just can just "turn off" and delete entire verse like close app right??

And there is all the in game statement too support this too.