The Player (Minecraft) abilities and possibly AP revision

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It's rather minor but still.

As the Player created the entire Minecraft world (Which contains three space-time continuum), I think that Reality Warping would be appropriate. Not sure why I forgot to add it but it should be now.

Now this is actually an AP upgrade, but still. As the End Poem state, the whole game of Minecraft is simply part of the player's dream. Though it's vague, the End Poem hints that not only every "world" of Minecraft are also part of the Dream, but that basically any other video games are also but a dream to the player.

"Sometimes the player dreamed it was a miner, on the surface of a world that was flat, and infinite. The sun was a square of white. The days were short; there was much to do; and death was a temporary inconvenience. Sometimes the player dreamed it was lost in a story. Sometimes the player dreamed it was other things, in other places. Sometimes these dreams were disturbing. Sometimes very beautiful indeed. Sometimes the player woke from one dream into another, then woke from that into a third. Sometimes the player dreamed it watched words on a screen."

Nevermind the "Wake up from a Dream into another" and the fact that "Real Life" is also but a Dream, the mention of "other things" and "other places" seems to hint that other Minecraft worlds (At worst) or even other games in general are all part of the Player's dream.

Consider the fact that even a single Minecraft world contains a set of three space-time continuum, and that you can have much more than 1000 worlds, I think that a possibly 2-B rating may be appropriate. At the very least, I think that a solid 2-C rating could be used instead of that relatively useless High 3-A one.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I don't know...the mention of other games and real life sounds a lot like Marvel's definition of "Omniverse" and we know how Suggsverse-like that is. Although I think that considering the Three Space Time continuum and the 1000 world thing it could probably be "2-C" or even "At least 2-C"

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It seems a lot closer to stuff like Imscared or Undertale. Just plain old metafiction. Of course The Player from Imscared isn't Tier 0 for being "real", nor is the Undertale player.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Well I'm still uncertain. Reality Warping should probably be added to it's profile though.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Bump. Alongside new infos.

"And the player moves through a story, which is a forest of information planted by a man called Julian, on a flat, infinite world created by a man called Markus, that exists inside a small, private world created by the player, who inhabits a universe created by..."

This line clearly states that Minecraft as a whole exists inside the Player's "private world".

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Endless bump...

 

[Numbersguy]

A 2-C can work out in my oponion due to waking up into other dreams

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Well I suppose so. But I think more input would be better.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

"And the player moves through a story, which is a forest of information planted by a man called Julia, on a flat, infinite world created by a man called Markus, that exists inside a small, private world created by the player, who inhabits a universe created by..."

Wow....i Never knew the world was my dream. 2-C me confirmed ovo.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Bump from the goddamn grave. I guess there aren't much people knowledge of MC but still...

 

[The_Everlasting]

1-C via scaling from SMT.

But seriously, I can agree to this.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

1-C via scaling from SMT.
But seriously, I can agree to this.

I don't get it.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Matt

It's vaguely implied that Minecraft's multiverse includes other video games.

So my joke was that included SMT (The strongest video game verse I could think of).

 

[Antvasima]

We cannot scale from either Reality - Fiction Interaction or from implied inclusions of other fictions.

 

[Antvasima]

I am neutral towards the proposition in the original post though.

 

[KarmodF]

"....contains three space-time continuum"

Not really the Nether and World has a Limit, the only High 3-A place would be The End , it would be 2-C at best from the fact that consider that the World/Dreams are created from his Imagination, as Ant said we cannot scale a Character from the Reality - Fiction Interaction It would be a major inconsistency, not to mention that he being able to make 1,000 Worlds would be a very big In-Game feature.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

There is no limit. The "limit" is just there to make sure your computer doesn't explode via going too far. We clearly see that the world keeps going beyond that "limit".

We aren't scaling anything from anyone. This is just an example of metafiction. None of the tiering comes from "The player is real life so he's above the game", it comes from the End Poem itself.

 

[KarmodF]

There is no limit. The "limit" is just there to make sure your computer doesn't explode via going too far. We clearly see that the world keeps going beyond that "limit".

4096000000 km2, At least In-Game, but since you are using heavy In-Game propiertie I dont see why I cant.

 

[Antvasima]

@Saikou Okay. So, do you suggest a 2-B rating?

 

[Fllflourine]

"At least 2-C"

EDIT: While the universes within the Minecraft world are of a high number, I don't think they'll be above an "At least 2-C" rating. At best, I suppose a "Likely higher", could work.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I suppose that might be reasonable, but I am very tired, and not the best person to ask.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

If The Player sees entire universes with space-time continuums as dreams, shouldn't he be High 2-A? Him being 2-C would imply that he could be harmed by the destruction of something he sees as mere Dreams, which... doesn't make much sense

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Bumpo

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know. I would prefer more community input.

 

[ALRF]

Since this is entire universes with space-time continuums are nothing but dreams to him, that does seems to imply some form of transcendence over 4-D which if we go by our tiering seems to be High 2-A so yeah

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I would prefer more staff input however.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

High 2-A does make sense to me.

There aren't many people who are knowledgeable about MC here, but I'll it up Flourine and Everlasting about it.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

5-D Minecraft? That's awesome.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

The Entities Should also be upgraded because they are superior to the player and see the multiverse as codes right?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

The Entities should be superior to The Player regardless. So, High 2-A yes.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The page also says that The Entities "oversee and are superior to at least millions of Players", so, a really high end of High 2-A?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Yeah. Far higher than regular High 2-A but High 2-A regardless.

I also have this bit of dialogue.

"Sometimes the player dreamed it was other things, in other places. Sometimes these dreams were disturbing. Sometimes very beautiful indeed. Sometimes the player woke from one dream into another, then woke from that into a third."

While far vaguer, I'd imply that the Player is at least three "layers" of dream/reality above said universes. This would be possibly 1-C, but I am less sure here.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

O_O

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

"At least 2-C" or something seem totally fine.

High 2-A is an immense amount of speculation.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Not really. This is just basic transcendence.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

@Azathoth

There's nothing speculative there, it's explicitly said The Minecraft world is a dream to the player

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

No, it states that the Player dreams they're different things, which would basically just be lower manifestations of themself. It does not state something akin to the Player transcending all 4-D space.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

At least 2-C, possibly High 2-A seems besto.

 

[Fllflourine]

Tier 1 player is probably too speculative, I'm alright with either Matt or Azzy's suggestion, or there's "At least 2-C, possibly far higher"

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Azathoth seems to make sense.