The Immortal (Comics) Upgrade and a Bonus

[BattleHawks0670]

1.0 Introduction
So, I’m aware that there’s like a fixed revision in Invincible (Verse) scaling that kinda ranks the high tiers around the tiers of Low 5-B (examples: Thragg, Dinosaurus, Omni Man and Mark Grayson.) and ranks the low-mid tiers in around the ranges of the tiers 10 through 6 (particularly Athlete Level-Large Country Level.)

However, I’ve discovered an acceptable way of possibly shifting the Immortal up to the Low-5B tier.

Do note, I am not really an all-time member so bear with me here. Lemme know if I missed any chainscaling regarding the re-scaling.

2.0 Chainscaling with BoS Invincible
Now, I am gonna restate some of the recent Re-Scaling of Invincible’s Earth Heroes which consists of characters like Brit, Bulletproof and the Immortal being around BOS Mark’s level. This is mainly due to characters such as Tether Tyrant, a supervillain who is capable of harming Beginning of Series Mark and even impress a later stronger version of him with his strength.

And in future stories, it is shown that Brit is capable of generating enough attack power into being able to actually knock out Tether Tyrant through the use of his Jet Gloves.

Earlier on in comics, it is demonstrated that BoS Mark has a feat of driving Allen’s body into the moon which was calculated to about Large Country Level or High 6-B. So with this being said, Tether Tyrant being able to harm this same Invincible with a single punch and in turn gives him the High-6B rating as well.

While Brit’s feat was mainly achieved with equipment, it is treated as apart of his Attack Potency.

So with this, Brit is granted Large Country Level

In a battle with the creature known as Gorgg, Bulletproof is able to withstand an attack from it. This same character was previously able to damage one of Brit’s Jet Gloves.

Zandale also contributes in being able to knock out the Giant alongside Brit. And additionally should be comparable to mid tier guardian characters like Kaboomerang who can harm the likes of Octoboss with his boomerangs.

So Bulletproof with these plus my own additional information, is granted Large Country Level as well.

In the Guarding the Globe comic series, we are actually informed that next to Invincible, the Immortal is considered a big gun amongst the Guardians of the Globe.
This very panel portrays the Immortal to be the strongest guardian on the team as well as being one of the only heroes to be selected to venture down into the intense heat and pressure of volcanic vents in order to disarm one of Dinosaurus’s bombs (will be brought back up later.)

Which of course didn’t exclude Brit because of his invulnerability but excluded the likes of Bulletproof and other guardians.

And if this page is anything to really go by, the Immortal states he is fully capable of taking out BoS Mark prior to the Sequid Invasion. Even shrugging aside Mark’s own response in claiming he held his own against Nolan longer than the Immortal, which even though that’s obviously not the case.

But if anything this is more of a case of them being in each others league.

So overall, The Immortal is considered the strongest member on the Guardians of the Globe which automatically places him around the Large Country Level rating in power but I will present a list of things that may warrant Immortal for an even greater rating in Tier.
3.0 Immortal Upgrade
Alright, let’s get into it.

So, during the issues of Robot’s takeover of Earth, there was a coordinated elimination of basically all the heroes on Earth that would potentially oppose Rudy in his plans of world domination.

Characters with a page already on the wiki, such as Black Samson (Listed Tier of 7-B) were victims in this attack as Black Samson was effortlessly taken out by an upgraded automaton of Robot with a single shot of its energy beam. It should also be noted that characters like Yeti, who are portrayed to be stronger than Black Samson and being capable of harming Octoboss were also overpowered by these automatons.

Heading over to the specific panel in question, the Immortal is also seen coming under attack of one of these drones if not two of them as he goes onto rescue his family.

On the left side of that top part of the panel, i noted that an upgraded automaton is actually torn in half.

Now we don’t actually see the Immortal actually battle this particular drone on panel, but if I had to guess then this would mean the Immortal was actually able to take out one of these guys off panel.

Now do keep in mind, any other hero or being on Earth that wasn’t a Viltrumite (aside from Brit with his son) was unable to take out a single drone at the time, which those automatons have been accepted to Small Planet Level.

This is particularly due to the fact that these drones have a sort of power level on the level of that of a Viltrumite. An example of this is shown when an automaton of Rudy was sent to combat Donald who organizes a horde of Invincible Reanimen to assist him in taking out the specific drone.

However, this doesn’t go so well for Donald as it turns out these automatons were able to easily punch apart the Invincible Reanimen.

These same reanimated variants of Mark Grayson were previously able to pose a threat to Middle Series Invincible and Dinosaurus.

And Rudy admits himself that they can kill viltrumites in an all-out war .

It should also be noted again that the Immortal is considered one of the big guns next to Invincible in the Guardians of the Globe.

Which would put him considerably above characters like Monster Girl, who were also able to dismantle Robot’s automatons.

Now you might consider Robot War scaling to be a little wonky here and there since heroes are doing things they seemingly shouldn’t be able to do, but when it comes to characters like Monster Girl here it should be stated that her powers are kind of fixed with the belt to where I assume that whenever she uses her powers she actually continues to grow in strength while maintaining a stable age instead of getting younger.

And the Immortal does have equivalent power levels to viltrumites in terms of Smart Atom based DNA so his potential to grow isn’t much of a surprise.

It should be mentioned that characters like Atom Eve are even listed in this image, who’s powers grow to the point where she can actually hold her own against the Viltrumite elite Ursaal who matches General Kregg later on in the comics.

Additionally, I brought up how Invincible and the Immortal were selected to disarm Dinosaurus’s nuclear weapons. And when a far stronger Mark is taking care of his, he states it’s a tougher task than he thought and was notably impressed by the strength of the housing vessel storing the bomb.

Admitting it to be super-dense housing mechanism here.
Later on, it’s revealed around the 9:16 timer mark that both Invincible and the Immortal have gotten through these shells offpanel.

So with all this collected evidence, I propose we upgrade The Immortal’s general Attack Potency to “at least Small Planet Level” while possibly giving Monster Girl a page and maybe even giving her the Low-5B tier as well.

The Immortal Upgrade:
Agree:

Disagree: That_moron2

Neutral: ShionAH, Tyranno223

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Bump

 

[That_moron2]

I'm not sure about this because wasn't an early series Mark stronger and faster? I don't think he'd started his intensive training by that point, but I don't remember

 

[That_moron2]

I do agree with a Monster Girl page though

 

[BattleHawks0670]

I'm not sure about this because wasn't an early series Mark stronger and faster? I don't think he'd started his intensive training by that point, but I don't remember

Yeahh but then yk, take Monster Girl for instance who was once actually taken out by BOS Mark with a single punch and was knocked out by a variant of him now managing the feat of being able to actually take out Robot’s upgraded automatons which could effortlessly tear through Invincible Reanimen.

And it so happens that those Reanimen were once the variants but yk, they were basically amped to the point where they could contend with Dinosaurus and Mark.

There’s also the fact that Tech Jacket (Pre-Amplification) was also accepted as Low-5B instead of High-6B despite needing to be saved by stronger characters against some Viltrumites in the war as they imply he’d probably be taken out effortlessly and one viltrumite easily just breaks apart his protected helmet with a backhand.

And before his amplification couldn’t outright take Null or those two invincible variants in the IW (Invincible War.) in a fight, he had to resort to other means of defeating them, and the Immortal has the one showing of being able to draw blood from Nolan albeit, I assume he has some kind of Rage Power since in any other cases he wouldn’t have been able to put up such a fight. And while BOS Mark, prior to the Sequid incident, does note that he kinda lasted a long while against Nolan and is stronger than him by the time of that incident he doesn’t actually do as much as Immortal did in single blows, as his father was basically unfazed for the most part of the comic version of the battle.

 

[Tyranno223]

For some reason Comic Red Rush is "possibly Low 5-B" on profile, so by simple scaling, Immortal should be there to just by being stronger than Red Rush.

 

[BattleHawks0670]

For some reason Comic Red Rush is "possibly Low 5-B" on profile, so by simple scaling, Immortal should be there to just by being stronger than Red Rush.

I think it’s due to the combined mights of the guardians, but considering the fact that War Woman and Martian Man alone could draw blood from Nolan in one combo punch, it’d make sense that the Immortal should kinda be up there since he’s again labeled as a big gun next to Invincible

 

[That_moron2]

despite needing to be saved by stronger characters against some Viltrumites in the war as they imply he’d probably be taken out effortlessly

Being saved by Low 5-B characters against multiple Low 5-B characters at once does not make someone not Low 5-B. Nowhere is it implied he'd be taken out effortlessly, if he was some jobber that had to be constantly saved they wouldn't bring him.

one viltrumite easily just breaks apart his protected helmet with a backhand.

That's like the equivalent of a bloody nose for this series. It does not defeat any of his blatant showings of withstanding attacks from Viltrumites.

And before his amplification couldn’t outright take Null or those two invincible variants in the IW (Invincible War.) in a fight, he had to resort to other means of defeating them

Does Null have any anti-feats? A Low 5-B not being able to win a 2v1 against another Low 5-B does not disqualify them from being Low 5-B. Also, he harms and withstands attacks from those alternate Marks in that fight, which wouldn't be possible if he wasn't Low 5-B.

and the Immortal has the one showing of being able to draw blood from Nolan albeit, I assume he has some kind of Rage Power since in any other cases he wouldn’t have been able to put up such a fight. And while BOS Mark, prior to the Sequid incident, does note that he kinda lasted a long while against Nolan and is stronger than him by the time of that incident he doesn’t actually do as much as Immortal did in single blows, as his father was basically unfazed for the most part of the comic version of the battle.

I was talking about the Sequid Incident. If Immortal is as strong as you say then:
Sequid Mark>Immortal>Black Robot Drone>Reanimarks~<Post War Mark
To make that more clear, its
Sequid Mark~>>>>Post War Mark

I think it’s due to the combined mights of the guardians, but considering the fact that War Woman and Martian Man alone could draw blood from Nolan in one combo punch, it’d make sense that the Immortal should kinda be up there since he’s again labeled as a big gun next to Invincible

I think considering that they did so with a combined attack, they could individually be half of Nolan. I think that makes sense for Immortal

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Being saved by Low 5-B characters against multiple Low 5-B characters at once does not make someone not Low 5-B. Nowhere is it implied he'd be taken out effortlessly, if he was some jobber that had to be constantly saved they wouldn't bring him.

That's like the equivalent of a bloody nose for this series. It does not defeat any of his blatant showings of withstanding attacks from Viltrumites.

Does Null have any anti-feats? A Low 5-B not being able to win a 2v1 against another Low 5-B does not disqualify them from being Low 5-B. Also, he harms and withstands attacks from those alternate Marks in that fight, which wouldn't be possible if he wasn't Low 5-B.

I was talking about the Sequid Incident. If Immortal is as strong as you say then:
Sequid Mark>Immortal>Black Robot Drone>Reanimarks~<Post War Mark
To make that more clear, its
Sequid Mark~>>>>Post War Mark

I think considering that they did so with a combined attack, they could individually be half of Nolan. I think that makes sense for Immortal

Look point is, tech jacket by himself while able to albeit harm those two alternate Invincibles and Viltrumite soldiers, wasn’t able to outright kill them with the Tech Jacket’s usual utility of weaponry and had to resort to means such as self detonating or toxin-laced projectiles.
And him getting his protective helmet effortlessly destroyed like that is pretty important to note, he’s busted but he’s still kind of a liability in some way.

And there’s still the point that he was unable to harm Omnipotus Pre-Colossal amp, whereas Omnipotus through his own base tier only showed superior strength to a Post-Sequid Mark and was effortlessly taken out by Dinosaurus (who prior in comics couldn’t actually harm Mark, and was taken out by him eventually.)
Yeah Null doesn’t necessarily have anti feats but it’s still a point that he overpowered Tech Jacket consistently and he had to resort to sending him into the Sun.

And the Immortal himself was able to take attacks from Robot’s upgraded automatons and characters like Omni Man (for a brief moment in their rematch in comics.) and harm them as well, and I find it odd that even Eve kinda made the Low-5B tier via the Viltrumite-Thraxan Hybrids (plus Ursaal) considering that even though it states that it’s only through her constructs, Bulletproof was also able to break through them during the Robot War.

And it’s well established that the Immortal is>Bulletproof, being able to crush him with his body weight and is often chosen over him to handle tasks that other guardians could not. (Such as when he was selected into venturing alongside Invincible into extremely hot conditions or was sent as a big gun to stop the Lizard League in its tracks.)

 

[That_moron2]

Look point is, tech jacket by himself while able to albeit harm those two alternate Invincibles and Viltrumite soldiers, wasn’t able to outright kill them with the Tech Jacket’s usual utility of weaponry and had to resort to means such as self detonating or toxin-laced projectiles.
And him getting his protective helmet effortlessly destroyed like that is pretty important to note, he’s busted but he’s still kind of a liability in some way.

I already addressed all of this.

Being saved by Low 5-B characters against multiple Low 5-B characters at once does not make someone not Low 5-B. Nowhere is it implied he'd be taken out effortlessly, if he was some jobber that had to be constantly saved they wouldn't bring him.

That's like the equivalent of a bloody nose for this series. It does not defeat any of his blatant showings of withstanding attacks from Viltrumites.

Moving on to new stuff

And there’s still the point that he was unable to harm Omnipotus Pre-Colossal amp, whereas Omnipotus through his own base tier only showed superior strength to a Post-Sequid Mark and was effortlessly taken out by Dinosaurus

I don’t think Mark gets significantly stronger between fighting Omnipotus and being stated to be stronger than Immortal, and if the statement of Mark>Immortal doesn’t apply yet, then all that means is that we don’t know for sure that he’s stronger than Immortal, not that he’s weaker. Also, if being unable to harm Omnipotus disqualifies Tech Jacket from being Low 5-B, then why can Immortal be Low 5-B when he can’t harm Omnipotus either?

(who prior in comics couldn’t actually harm Mark, and was taken out by him eventually.)

Dinosaurus harms Mark on screen, crushes an identical clone’s head, fought Reanimarks, and had his strength complimented by Allen. He’s absolutely Low 5-B

Yeah Null doesn’t necessarily have anti feats but it’s still a point that he overpowered Tech Jacket consistently and he had to resort to sending him into the Sun.

No it isn’t, Null’s only real scaling is being superior to Tech Jacket. How is it relevant that some glup shitto whose purpose is being a strong guy beat him? Your point is just:
“Tech Jacket is not Low 5-B because Tech Jacket<Null<???”

And the Immortal himself was able to take attacks from Robot’s upgraded automatons and characters like Omni Man (for a brief moment in their rematch in comics.)

Once more, I addressed this.

I was talking about the Sequid Incident. If Immortal is as strong as you say then:
Sequid Mark>Immortal>Black Robot Drone>Reanimarks~<Post War Mark
To make that more clear, its
Sequid Mark~>>>>Post War Mark

And I also provided a compromise

I think considering that they did so with a combined attack, they could individually be half of Nolan. I think that makes sense for Immortal

Now back to a new argument:

and I find it odd that even Eve kinda made the Low-5B tier via the Viltrumite-Thraxan Hybrids (plus Ursaal) considering that even though it states that it’s only through her constructs, Bulletproof was also able to break through them during the Robot War.

And it’s well established that the Immortal is>Bulletproof, being able to crush him with his body weight and is often chosen over him to handle tasks that other guardians could not. (Such as when he was selected into venturing alongside Invincible into extremely hot conditions or was sent as a big gun to stop the Lizard League in its tracks.)

Why do all of Eve’s constructs have to be the same strength? Eve’s shields can briefly defend against a Rognar. The same Bulletproof who got his hand ripped off by an alternate Invincible, who was not even considered for the Viltrumite War, and who is weaker than Immortal, is comparable to Rognar? Also, the times establishing Immortal as superior to Bulletproof and the time where Bulletproof breaks Eve’s constructs are years apart. He might have just gotten stronger

 

[BattleHawks0670]

I already addressed all of this.


Moving on to new stuff

I don’t think Mark gets significantly stronger between fighting Omnipotus and being stated to be stronger than Immortal, and if the statement of Mark>Immortal doesn’t apply yet, then all that means is that we don’t know for sure that he’s stronger than Immortal, not that he’s weaker. Also, if being unable to harm Omnipotus disqualifies Tech Jacket from being Low 5-B, then why can Immortal be Low 5-B when he can’t harm Omnipotus either?

Dinosaurus harms Mark on screen, crushes an identical clone’s head, fought Reanimarks, and had his strength complimented by Allen. He’s absolutely Low 5-B

No it isn’t, Null’s only real scaling is being superior to Tech Jacket. How is it relevant that some glup shitto whose purpose is being a strong guy beat him? Your point is just:
“Tech Jacket is not Low 5-B because Tech Jacket<Null<???”

Once more, I addressed this.

And I also provided a compromise

Now back to a new argument:

Why do all of Eve’s constructs have to be the same strength? Eve’s shields can briefly defend against a Rognar. The same Bulletproof who got his hand ripped off by an alternate Invincible, who was not even considered for the Viltrumite War, and who is weaker than Immortal, is comparable to Rognar? Also, the times establishing Immortal as superior to Bulletproof and the time where Bulletproof breaks Eve’s constructs are years apart. He might have just gotten stronger

Actually you never uh, addressed any of that Robot automaton stuff.

You actually never told me how the Immortal wouldn’t scale to them and wouldn’t qualify to Low-5B, also I didn’t just say Null, I used viltrumites and Omnipotus (Base) as examples as to why it’s weird why he even gets qualified for the tiers, I mean if he can get away with harming the viltrumites despite being inferior to them similar to the Immortal harming Omni Man in their rematch then why shouldn’t Immortal get his same treatment? Things like that just don’t add up.

And again, I’d agree he could harm viltrumites with his typical equipment but we see plainly that he on his own doesn’t stand much of a chance, as Thaddeus literally stresses out when he gets grabbed by a random Viltrumite and his own suit even lets him know Anissa’s crushing arm strength could just breach through (the same Anissa who also effortlessly takes Pre-Training Mark down in their first encounter.)

Yeah Dinosaurus does rip apart a clone of Mark, which he funnily enough never manages to do to the actual Mark. And Dinosaurus himself even admits the Invincible Reanimen could’ve killed him, the same Reanimen effortlessly dismantled by robot’s upgraded automatons, kinda inconsistent there isn’t it?

And with Bulletproof being able to break through Eve’s constructs, well… why wouldn’t they be the same strength? Also the same Bulletproof who got his arm removed by a variant was also the same one that could briefly put hands on Dinosaurus and even force the guy to block one of his punches.

And years apart, so what? Bulletproof never actually goes in to arrest The Immortal himself as Robot instead sends his upgraded automatons (the same ones Immortal could tear apart.) and Immortal merely only wanted to get arrested so he could save the rest of the guardians with a bomb hidden in his stomach which mind you scars Bulletproof and leaves the Immortal relatively unscathed (despite it blowing him in half, as he was the detonator.)

 

[ShionAH]

Pretty straight forward, the GOAT takes out Low 5-B robot is what I am getting from here is that correct? If so I agree.

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Pretty straight forward, the GOAT takes out Low 5-B robot is what I am getting from here is that correct? If so I agree.

Yeah just about, it’s an unnoticed possible feat but it’s still there. The Immortal is also portrayed to be stronger than Monster Girl who achieves similar feats, one of the more knowledgeable members agreed with it iirc

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Bump

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Bumppppp

 

[FusionPrime0]

Actually Immortal wouldn't scale above Monster Girl from the "big gun" statement. Monster Girl was MIA in the Flaxan dimension alongside Robot at that time, so she wouldn't have even been considered as an option to be a "big gun". Also Monster girl grew WAY stronger after coming back from the Flaxan dimension. Monster girl grows stronger every time she transforms and Robot just fixed the part of the curse that causes he to de-age every time, meaning she should still be getting stronger with each transformation.

Honestly the destroyed armor in the back of the panel and bulletproof damaging Eve's constructs are outliers. The entire rest of the series before this Immortal and Bulletproof have been portrayed as far weaker than anyone who scales to Low 5-B. And during the Sequid fight Mark is stronger and faster than the Immortal, and at this point he's either barely scaling to 5-C or heavily downscaling from Low 5-B.

I completely disagree with upgrading the Immortal.

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Actually Immortal wouldn't scale above Monster Girl from the "big gun" statement. Monster Girl was MIA in the Flaxan dimension alongside Robot at that time, so she wouldn't have even been considered as an option to be a "big gun". Also Monster girl grew WAY stronger after coming back from the Flaxan dimension. Monster girl grows stronger every time she transforms and Robot just fixed the part of the curse that causes he to de-age every time, meaning she should still be getting stronger with each transformation.

Honestly the destroyed armor in the back of the panel and bulletproof damaging Eve's constructs are outliers. The entire rest of the series before this Immortal and Bulletproof have been portrayed as far weaker than anyone who scales to Low 5-B. And during the Sequid fight Mark is stronger and faster than the Immortal, and at this point he's either barely scaling to 5-C or heavily downscaling from Low 5-B.

I completely disagree with upgrading the Immortal.

Monster Girl is right in the panel the moment Cecil brings in the big guns.. what?

And even then, it’s made clear that Monster Girl can’t even compare to the physical resilience of Bulletproof.
Also, those aren’t outliers at all. If anything they’re blatant feats, hell you might as well have Brit one shoting Tether Tyrant as an outlier too since tether tyrant could hurt an early mark and even impress a way stronger one than Immortal with his strength.

So going by your logic, Tether Tyrant>TheImmortal>Brit. Which we know isn’t even true, and the Immortal is outright pointed out to be one of the three non-viltrumites to have equivalent power levels to Viltrumite DNA

Its also evident while the Immortal can’t really match elite level viltrumites like Mark and Nolan, he’s still capable of drawing blood from Omni Man in their first actual fight despite dying and it’s even made noted that they appear to be evenly matched.

And the Immortal could have just gotten stronger too, which wouldn’t be too crazy to believe since his powers work in a similar nature to a Viltrumite.

 

[FusionPrime0]

Monster Girl is right in the panel the moment Cecil brings in the big guns.. what?

my bad I'm blind

And even then, it’s made clear that Monster Girl can’t even compare to the physical resilience of Bulletproof.

Monster girl gets stronger with each transformation and she hadn't shown any Low 5-B scaling at that point. By the time she is able to take out robot drones she would've grown to Low 5-B but at this point no. So this wouldn't upscale bulletproof or downscale Amanda. This would also make the big guns statement irrelevant.

Also, those aren’t outliers at all. If anything they’re blatant feats,

A destroyed robot drone in the background that we have no proof that Immortal himself destroyed is not a blatant feat. And having the entire basis of the scaling be off of damaging Eve's constructs is not enough to justify the Low 5-B rating.

hell you might as well have Brit one shoting Tether Tyrant as an outlier too since tether tyrant could hurt an early mark and even impress a way stronger one than Immortal with his strength.

Early Mark is High 6-B... and even though a stronger Mark noted his strength he still overpowered him without much difficulty.

So going by your logic, Tether Tyrant>TheImmortal>Brit. Which we know isn’t even true, and the Immortal is outright pointed out to be one of the three non-viltrumites to have equivalent power levels to Viltrumite DNA

I would take guidebook statements with a grain of salt. Atom Eve and Allen the Alien are on that list despite Atom Eve having stats nowhere near a Viltrumite at that point and Allen only being comparable to an early Mark who is High 6-B...
Also there is nothing wrong with Tether Tyrant's tethers > The Immortal > Brit's gloves
how exactly do we know this isn't true?

Its also evident while the Immortal can’t really match elite level viltrumites like Mark and Nolan, he’s still capable of drawing blood from Omni Man in their first actual fight despite dying and it’s even made noted that they appear to be evenly matched.

Drawing a miniscule bit of blood so early on in the story is heavily outweighed by almost every other interaction he has with Low 5-B or weaker characters. Sequid Mark being stronger and faster than him, an Invincible variant who doesn't even have Low 5-B scaling fodderizing him, a Robot drone fodderizing him, Omni-Man fodderizing him on two other occasions.

And the Immortal could have just gotten stronger too, which wouldn’t be too crazy to believe since his powers work in a similar nature to a Viltrumite.

That would make zero sense. We have no confirmation that they work similar to a Viltrumite and even if they did, the existence of King Immortal completely debunks that. He was wailing at Mark and doing zero damage when they fought with Mark easily tearing his head off despite him being 100's of years older.

Also if we upgrade Immortal to Low 5-B using this logic, then we could upgrade almost the whole verse to Low 5-B off of various chain scaling. Invincible scaling is wacky and inconsistent. We need blatant consistent proof that characters scale to each other, that outweighs anti-feats, which just isn't the case for the Immortal.

 

[FusionPrime0]

For some reason Comic Red Rush is "possibly Low 5-B" on profile, so by simple scaling, Immortal should be there to just by being stronger than Red Rush.

Some person made the profile without consulting anyone else on site. I think that rating should be removed.

 

[That_moron2]

Some person made the profile without consulting anyone else on site. I think that rating should be removed.

It was me. I didn't know Invincible even had any active supporters at the time

 

[FusionPrime0]

It was me. I didn't know Invincible even had any active supporters at the time

Fair, the forums were pretty dead.

 

[That_moron2]

Fair, the forums were pretty dead.

Its that and I figured it was fine since you usually don't need CRTs to make profiles. I should have consulted someone first

 

[BattleHawks0670]

my bad I'm blind

Monster girl gets stronger with each transformation and she hadn't shown any Low 5-B scaling at that point. By the time she is able to take out robot drones she would've grown to Low 5-B but at this point no. So this wouldn't upscale bulletproof or downscale Amanda. This would also make the big guns statement irrelevant.

A destroyed robot drone in the background that we have no proof that Immortal himself destroyed is not a blatant feat. And having the entire basis of the scaling be off of damaging Eve's constructs is not enough to justify the Low 5-B rating.

Early Mark is High 6-B... and even though a stronger Mark noted his strength he still overpowered him without much difficulty.

I would take guidebook statements with a grain of salt. Atom Eve and Allen the Alien are on that list despite Atom Eve having stats nowhere near a Viltrumite at that point and Allen only being comparable to an early Mark who is High 6-B...
Also there is nothing wrong with Tether Tyrant's tethers > The Immortal > Brit's gloves
how exactly do we know this isn't true?

Drawing a miniscule bit of blood so early on in the story is heavily outweighed by almost every other interaction he has with Low 5-B or weaker characters. Sequid Mark being stronger and faster than him, an Invincible variant who doesn't even have Low 5-B scaling fodderizing him, a Robot drone fodderizing him, Omni-Man fodderizing him on two other occasions.

That would make zero sense. We have no confirmation that they work similar to a Viltrumite and even if they did, the existence of King Immortal completely debunks that. He was wailing at Mark and doing zero damage when they fought with Mark easily tearing his head off despite him being 100's of years older.

Also if we upgrade Immortal to Low 5-B using this logic, then we could upgrade almost the whole verse to Low 5-B off of various chain scaling. Invincible scaling is wacky and inconsistent. We need blatant consistent proof that characters scale to each other, that outweighs anti-feats, which just isn't the case for the Immortal

Eh, thing is though..
That variant of immortal wanted Mark to kill him, and it’s shown he can still somewhat affect Mark prior to him being decapitated, and that variant of immortal is treated more like one from an alternate time anyway so his power levels could’ve been different than our Immortal.

Also, we don’t technically know how strong Nogogglesible was in comparison to our Mark so for all we know he could be been Low-5B which even then wouldn’t really take away any later chain scaling.

And nobody brought up just him scaling off of Bulletproof damaging Eve’s constructs which by the way is a blatant showing of Bulletproof’s growth in AP since he pre-time skip was briefly able to hold off Dinosaurus.
Sure we don’t know how that automaton was dismantled, but we do know the Immortal was the only one there strong enough to pull off most of the resistance as Kate’s clones were just torn apart and vaporized and used as fodder as a distraction.

We also cannot excuse Monster Girl’s showing of being able to dismantle these upgraded automatons anyway, which the Immortal was long established to have been one of the two big backups of the Guardians of the Globe right next to Invincible. Hell, the immortal’s kids in one of the backgrounds of the Robot War panels could restrain or grapple with one of the drones showing they shouldn’t fall too far behind their dad.

You can’t even really hold onto the Sequid Mark>Immortal consensus forever, I mean the guardians themselves have shown to be capable of wiping enemies that have given Mark of that same level trouble throughout the story like Octoboss who Mark recalls to have beaten the snot out of him.
(The guardians in particular: Kaboomerang, Brit, Yeti, Monster Girl, Bulletproof and even Black Samson alongside Yeti.)

Also Tether Tyrant is blatantly shown to have been taken out in a single punch from Brit’s Jet Gloves? His alien enhanced body should’ve no selled those hits going by how sturdy they were enough to hold back Mark easily. And immortal again is superior to any other guardian via the big gun statement so immortal>those gloves>tether tyrant’s tethers, otherwise the guardians wouldn’t have stood a chance.

And Tether Tyrant again still impresses a more stronger mark with his alien partner, and the Immortal being able to draw even the minuscule amount of blood from Nolan shouldn’t really be looked over, considering he’s the strongest Guardian and is still noted as having equivalent power levels to Viltrumite DNA.
Hell dude actually puts more paws on Nolan than Mark before he died, and early Mark is considered equal to pre-first evolution Allen anyway so allen would definitely fit the power level statement, just to a lesser extent than Immortal since his equal (Mark) couldn’t really inflict any real damage on him whereas immortal could.

I mean, dude basically traded blows with Nolan until the end. It would be no different from Oliver while albeit being significantly weaker, could still harm Mark with his punches and trade blows with him.

Regardless of his past anti-feats, he still has a good amount of chainscaling and feats that could easily grant him Small Planet Level, dudes busted and you can’t really call anything that he basically scales to outliers because characters like Tether Tyrant and Octoboss would be fodderizing the guardians if that were the case.

The Immortal>Bulletproof and Monster Girl