The hunter fights an insect man (grace)

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Black sun: @Shadowslash125, @AThe1412, @Artorimachi_Meteoraft

The hunter

Rules

Speed is equalized

First key hunter and kamen rider black sun second key used

The hunter has Prior knowledge

The hunter optional equipment restricted

They start 20ft out of sight

Battle takes place in a zoo

 

[Shadowslash125]

Here I am.

With both of them being 50 ft away (I use the metric system so about 15.24 meters), the hunter outranges by a bloody ton. Assuming his equipment AP is around 35 MJ (unless I'm wrong since I checked up the calcs of the verse), Black Sun can close the distance fine enough if he plans to just tank the fire, due to the dura diff of 50.9 MJ. He will obviously dodge and use his blade to parry the bullets coming his way and even with speed equalization, Kotaro's reaction speed is still faster. Class M against an above average human LS is going to be extremely problematic for Old Hunty here and not only that, but his durability also makes it that one pat from the bugman will knock him out stone cold. Since it's Black Sun, he'll obviously go for incap against the hunter like a throw or something to defeat him so there won't be killing involved.

We have to get the camouflage out of the way, because that really won't make much of a difference honestly, due to Black Sun's two enhanced senses and extrasensory perception. He's going to pick up light intensity, humidity, vibration, wind velocity among other things while also having a greater field of vision with his compound eyes and antenna, and that's from his kaijin form one. His rider form will allow him to see clearly from 800 meters away, even in dark places. His antenna should now be upgraded to detect subtle changes in the environment, such as air currents and temperature, as well as the source of the attack, allowing for swift evasion and defense, and paired with his extrasensory perception that lets him detect presence hiding in shadows, murderous intent, and approaching danger, it won't be long before Black Sun is back at the chase for the hunter should he even get the chance to hide away from him, which would probably be slim.

Close Range is where Kotaro will dominate, since he'll be going for breaking any and every single one of his weapon he gets his hands on, before he deals the decisive blow to knock him out. The few wincons the hunter has is to successfully evade him while shooting as much as possible and have his tranquilizer hit Black Sun, since he doesn't resist sleep manip at all.

Other than that, I honestly see it as a low to possibly maybe half-mid diff win for Black Sun.

 

[AThe1412]

Black sun

The hunter

Rules

Speed is equalized

First key hunter and kamen rider black sun used

The hunter has all of his optional weapons

Starting distance is 50ft

Battle takes place outside of Himeji castle

You forgot to give Hunter prior knowledge and preparation to use the radar.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Honestly, I don't think even the radar would matter, but sure I guess.

 

[AThe1412]

Here I am.

With both of them being 50 ft away (I use the metric system so about 15.24 meters), the hunter outranges by a bloody ton. Assuming his equipment AP is around 35 MJ (unless I'm wrong since I checked up the calcs of the verse), Black Sun can close the distance fine enough if he plans to just tank the fire, due to the dura diff of 50.9 MJ. He will obviously dodge and use his blade to parry the bullets coming his way and even with speed equalization, Kotaro's reaction speed is still faster. Class M against an above average human LS is going to be extremely problematic for Old Hunty here and not only that, but his durability also makes it that one pat from the bugman will knock him out stone cold. Since it's Black Sun, he'll obviously go for incap against the hunter like a throw or something to defeat him so there won't be killing involved.

We have to get the camouflage out of the way, because that really won't make much of a difference honestly, due to Black Sun's two enhanced senses and extrasensory perception. He's going to pick up light intensity, humidity, vibration, wind velocity among other things while also having a greater field of vision with his compound eyes and antenna, and that's from his kaijin form one. His rider form will allow him to see clearly from 800 meters away, even in dark places. His antenna should now be upgraded to detect subtle changes in the environment, such as air currents and temperature, as well as the source of the attack, allowing for swift evasion and defense, and paired with his extrasensory perception that lets him detect presence hiding in shadows, murderous intent, and approaching danger, it won't be long before Black Sun is back at the chase for the hunter should he even get the chance to hide away from him, which would probably be slim.

Close Range is where Kotaro will dominate, since he'll be going for breaking any and every single one of his weapon he gets his hands on, before he deals the decisive blow to knock him out. The few wincons the hunter has is to successfully evade him while shooting as much as possible and have his tranquilizer hit Black Sun, since he doesn't resist sleep manip at all.

Other than that, I honestly see it as a low to possibly maybe half-mid diff win for Black Sun.

Most of these points are very much valid, though I'm not sure if he'll be able to parry bullets due to how speed equalization works. Hunter's more powerful weapons upscale from his 9-A AP via oneshotting Dinos that are much stronger than the one who performed the feat. How does Black Sun deal with lasers?

Honestly, I don't think even the radar would matter, but sure I guess.

It really wouldn't lol. I just want him to have prior knowledge to make the fight a tiny bit more fair.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I'm not sure if he'll be able to parry bullets due to how speed equalization work.

I assume that's from his supersonic combat speed, but I'm not too sure either. I don't know how much that would be equalized to.

Hunter's more powerful weapons upscale from his 9-A AP via oneshotting Dinos that are much stronger than the one who performed the feat.

Should he get hit, his mid-low regen would probably just help keep him in the fight longer, and he should have his damage reduction from his Ex-Shell Armor exoskeleton to soften the non-laser blows.

How does Black Sun deal with lasers?

Probably just dodging but if NPI also works on lasers, then blocking it with his blade will make it easier (provided we deal with whether he can do that or not due to the speed thingy).

prior knowledge to make the fight a tiny bit more fair

Fair enough.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

You forgot to give Hunter prior knowledge and preparation to use the radar.

I gave him prior knowledge his tranquilizers

Don’t see the point of prep since their out of sight

 

[Shadowslash125]

Don’t see the point of prep since their out of sight

Don't forget to edit this in.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Don't forget to edit this in.

oh actually never mind they don’t need prep because I didn’t mention out of sight

Silly me

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

So who wins more?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Uhh having prior knowledge is just the hunter knowing that he has good senses and can punch hard really. So it wouldn't make much difference other than his defeat being slower (???). At the very least it might give him a chance to land a tranquiliser on him.

Anyways it's an open-and-shut case really, voting for the bugman.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Uhh having prior knowledge is just the hunter knowing that he has good senses and can punch hard really. So it wouldn't make much difference other than his defeat being slower (???). At the very least it might give him a chance to land a tranquiliser on him.

Anyways it's an open-and-shut case really, voting for the bugman.

Can the tranquilizer puncture the suit though? Given it’s a suit and not his skin?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Now that you mention it, it's an exoskeleton and his one at this point would be quite durable and paired with the damage reduction.... Oof indeed.
And I don't think it's a suit in-universe either.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Now that you mention it, it's an exoskeleton and his one at this point would be quite durable and paired with the damage reduction.... Oof indeed.
And I don't think it's a suit in-universe either.

Tbh I do think given all the weapons the hunter can land enough shots to actually break through the armor and possible kill him if I remove the tranquilizers.

He’s very good aim considering he can aim at a t-Rex’s eyes from far away and kill him.

So I’d say shooting enough times in the head will give him a chance to kill Black sun.

I’d say bug man wins most of the time but Shadow I think you can argue there’s a slim chance with semi automatic weapons like the rifle or Revolver he can blast a hole through the exoskeleton and through Black suns brain and kill bin

 

[Shadowslash125]

Only the lasers might give him a run for his money, and even then, he might be able to just dodge them all to close the distance to get into CQC range. It's a valid wincon, but it's a bit unlikely he's just going to eat all the bullets like that. Assuming the location too, we can say that there could be trees that can help him go through to avoid some projectiles too.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Only the lasers might give him a run for his money, and even then, he might be able to just dodge them all to close the distance to get into CQC range. It's a valid wincon, but it's a bit unlikely he's just going to eat all the bullets like that. Assuming the location too, we can say that there could be trees that can help him go through to avoid some projectiles too.

The laser rifle doesn’t shoot lasers it’s simply called that because it’s got a laser sight

I’d best be using his first key then

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ah I see.
First key of whom?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Ah I see.
First key of whom?

Well not really sure since the wiki stats it sounds like a futuristic weapon but I don’t really know if it shoots lasers or whatnot

I meant first key for black sun

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Now that you mention it, it's an exoskeleton and his one at this point would be quite durable and paired with the damage reduction.... Oof indeed.
And I don't think it's a suit in-universe either.

I mean if we give black sun his second key both sides now can one-shot each other but that makes it a bit more fair

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I assume that's from his supersonic combat speed, but I'm not too sure either. I don't know how much that would be equalized to.


Should he get hit, his mid-low regen would probably just help keep him in the fight longer, and he should have his damage reduction from his Ex-Shell Armor exoskeleton to soften the non-laser blows.


Probably just dodging but if NPI also works on lasers, then blocking it with his blade will make it easier (provided we deal with whether he can do that or not due to the speed thingy).


Fair enough.

I have changed the op. A bit

 

[Shadowslash125]

A few things have changed, but the wincons stay the same. Black Locust Kaijin still has his enhanced senses that can at the very least keep him on his toes. As he also scales to Aoi and Shadow Moon in his Kaijin form dodging bullets, he shouldn't have a problem doing so either. He still has his blades here so he can use that to block some shots and probably chuck the blunt end of it right at the hunter.

The hunter's shotgun may finally shine but he's got to shoot before Kotaro gets a hold of it and breaks it or something.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

A few things have changed, but the wincons stay the same. Black Locust Kaijin still has his enhanced senses that can at the very least keep him on his toes. As he also scales to Aoi and Shadow Moon in his Kaijin form dodging bullets, he shouldn't have a problem doing so either. He still has his blades here so he can use that to block some shots and probably chuck the blunt end of it right at the hunter.

The hunter's shotgun may finally shine but he's got to shoot before Kotaro gets a hold of it and breaks it or something.

So you vote kotaro?

Do let you know since this is second key he’s 9-B while the hunter’s weapons are around upscale 35 megajoules so I mean they one-shot each other

But I understand your argument so I’ll vote for kotaro fra

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

A few things have changed, but the wincons stay the same. Black Locust Kaijin still has his enhanced senses that can at the very least keep him on his toes. As he also scales to Aoi and Shadow Moon in his Kaijin form dodging bullets, he shouldn't have a problem doing so either. He still has his blades here so he can use that to block some shots and probably chuck the blunt end of it right at the hunter.

The hunter's shotgun may finally shine but he's got to shoot before Kotaro gets a hold of it and breaks it or something.

But you are voting for kotaro right? So I can count it

 

[Shadowslash125]

Yes

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yes

Voting bug man fra then

 

[AThe1412]

Black Sun FRA.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yes

They one-shot each other correct

 

[EnderLord8]

Bug man for reason above

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Bug man fra

 

[JnSteHar002]

Black Sun FRA; still open to other takes/perspectives

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Black Sun arguments seem convincing. FRA to them.

 

[Shadowslash125]

And that's grace.

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Hunter becomes the hunted after trying to kill all kaijins in Japan. Black Sun fra

 

[Shiraito983]

Black sun fra

 

[Chronster]

Based on what I see, Both can one-shot each other, however… While The hunter has range, Kotaro (Black Sun) has the advantage of DODGE and enhanced senses. So I vote Black Sun (or the black locust kaijin in this case) FRA.