The Human Monster vs ... another Human Monster?

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I don't know why no one thought of it

Half-Monster before Epic Super Dog a.k.a. Overgrown Rover Battle and last Key Kafka, Speed is Equal, the battle takes place in the area where All-might vs Nomu occurred but nothing is destroyed

G's Ap is >1.22 Megatons, higher with technique and RE

K's Ap is >1.19 Megatons, 541.930303 Megatons Dura and energy attack

Human Monster but is a Bad Guy:

Human Monster but is a Good Guy:

Other Human Monster: 2 (@KobsterHope07, @Recon1511)

 

[KobsterHope07]

Well… this is quite something.

Due to Kafka’s limited range, he will have no choice but meet Garou in CQC, which will not be a fun time due to Garou’s immense martial skill though Kafka is experienced with fighting at a disadvantage in terms of skill with Soshiro, and face against an evolving dude with analytical prediction in the form of No. 9. His saving graces that allows him to last as long in CQC is his high durability, which means Garou cannot reasonably him, and his AD, which allows him to keep up against fast opponents.

Garou does have the WICF for sharp attacks, though not sure how useful it is against an extremely durable foe. And Kafka can simply regenerate if it can harm him

Due to his ability to grow, Garou, in this key, can jump to like 7-B if pushed, which means Kafka will also be unable to harm Garou in return. Though I don’t know if he could since he jump to 7-B due to Darkshine being much stronger than him to the point of breaking his ribs, while in this case, Kafka is slightly weaker than Garou. If he can jump to 7-B, Kafka will have to rely on his super punch to one-shot Garou, who will not be able to regen from it due to Kafka’s Regen Neg. The difficult part is actually landing it, though I don’t think Garou would be able to deflect it easily similar to how he couldn’t deflect Darkshine’s tackle due to it being immensely powerful iirc and Kafka’s super punch is far more powerful than that.

So this battle will come down to whether Kafka can land a super punch or Garou just keep dodging and toss Kafka around

 

[Recon1511]

While Garou definitely bodies in CQC and would start doing serious damage and outspeeding Kafka with his reactive evolution it's true that he gets one shotted if Kafka lands his Super Punch and I can't really determine if Garou would be able to dodge or deflect it, I guess it will depend on wheter or not he already outspeeds Kafka by that point? I also have to note that Darkshine admitted to having prior knowledge of the WSRSF and that's why he knew how to shut it down.

I vote incon

 

[Kachon123]

Voting Garou. He would have the advantage in CQC, and he can completely disable Kafka with pressure points. If Kafka tries to use Super Punch, he should be able to deflect it with 2x the power due to his RE giving him the advantage in speed to be able to see it coming better.

 

[KobsterHope07]

he can completely disable Kafka with pressure points. If Kafka tries to use Super Punch, he should be able to deflect it with 2x the power due to his RE giving him the advantage in speed to be able to see it coming better.

I don’t know if he can use his pressure points on someone whose durability is vastly higher than his AP, Regen and can harden his body. And he got to be careful since Kafka can turn any part of his body into jaws and do some damage.

And I still not sure if he can deflect an attack as powerful as Kafka’s Super Punch given Darkshine’s Tackle was too much for him, and even Bad’s blows had Garou’s hands shaking due to the power. And Kafka’s AD and the thrusters he uses when doing his Super Punch can let him attack at a higher speed and keep up with faster opponent

 

[Kachon123]

I don’t know if he can use his pressure points on someone whose durability is vastly higher than his AP,

Pressure Points is a form of durability negation.

 

[KobsterHope07]

In some fiction it does work like that but it would be at best be limited. Don't you need to be able to harm the other in order to induce PP as you have to exert a certain degree of force on your opponent which will not be possible if they are vastly durable?

Not to mention, Kafka's skin could be considered like an armor due to his skin being thick enough to stop bullets, so along with the super high durability will lessen the potency of Garou's PP.

 

[Kachon123]

In some fiction it does work like that but it would be at best be limited. Don't you need to be able to harm the other in order to induce PP as you have to exert a certain degree of force on your opponent which will not be possible if they are vastly durable?

Not to mention, Kafka's skin could be considered like an armor due to his skin being thick enough to stop bullets, so along with the super high durability will lessen the potency of Garou's PP.

The thing is that Garou ties his pressure points with his attack reflection, which reflects with 2x the power.

His pressure point will work.

 

[KobsterHope07]

The thing is that Garou ties his pressure points with his attack reflection, which reflects with 2x the power.

His pressure point will work.

But that would means unless Kafka uses his Super Punch, Garou’s Pressure Points might as well be useless given the vast difference between Kafka’s normal strength and durability as even a two-fold counter attack of his own strength will not do much, if anything at all. Garou is more likely to break his own hand instead

But it is unsure whether Garou can deflect Kafka’s Super Punch in the first place. As shown with Metal Bat and Darkshine, WSRSF cannot fully deflect the force of attacks that have too much power behind. At Darkshine’s level, he was able to completely break through this Garou’s technique and Kafka’s SP is much stronger than Darkshine. If Garou attempt to deflect Kafka’s SP, it will just be a repeat of what happen with Darkshine but worse given the strength of the punch and Kafka’s Regen Neg power.

 

[Recon1511]

Wait a sec is Kafka durability 7-A?

 

[Kachon123]

But it is unsure whether Garou can deflect Kafka’s Super Punch in the first place. As shown with Metal Bat and Darkshine, WSRSF cannot fully deflect the force of attacks that have too much power behind.

For Metal Bat, we have no way of knowing how high his AP really was at that point, given he is 'up to 6-A' with Fighting Spirit.

As for Darkshine, he had prior knowledge on how to crush WSRSF. Garou has no way of deflecting an attack that's at least 3x his size, so his technique was shattered. Kafka doesn't have anything like that. Garou vs Super Punch would end up like this.

 

[KobsterHope07]

Wait a sec is Kafka durability 7-A?

Yes, the OP even mention it

 

[Recon1511]

Yes, the OP even mention it

Then Garou can't even scratch him then, Half Monster Garou only scales up to city level anything beyond that is just speculation.

 

[KobsterHope07]

For Metal Bat, we have no way of knowing how high his AP really was at that point, given he is 'up to 6-A' with Fighting Spirit.

As for Darkshine, he had prior knowledge on how to crush WSRSF. Garou has no way of deflecting an attack that's at least 3x his size, so his technique was shattered. Kafka doesn't have anything like that. Garou vs Super Punch would end up like this.

Indeed, Darkshine has prior knowledge of the technique, and given Garou’s inexperience compared to Bang, he knew a powerful attack will break through it.

And iirc, Garou noted that he couldn’t deflect Darkshine’s attack due to the immense power, nowhere did he mention the size of the attack being the problem

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Bump

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Nabump

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

bump

 

[KobsterHope07]

Depending on this thread, I think that Garou’s AP may change

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Depending on this thread, I think that Garou’s AP may change

ah, I forgot that CRT

 

[Recon1511]

ah, I forgot that CRT

It's kinda slow and no one has recalculated the Low 7-B feat yet...