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(Hi, first of all, i've seen a lot of people complaining about my debunks or sweet dao's debunks on facebook and discord (yes i see everything you say), such as "these debunks are garbage", "they've never read instant death it's obvious" etc. I want to say that im' absolutely not a hater of the verse, I just think that a lot of instant death pages contain wank abilities, so I just want these pages to be as accurate as possible. And nobody's stopping you from coming to the threads to argue why these debunks are bad and the abilites should stay, I find it too simple to just criticize and not come and talk. And please stop talking about the fact that there are other feats proving the hax debunks and therefore these debunks are bad, we are only debunking the reasoning behind the hax provided on the pages, it has nothing to do with other feats not given on the character pages. I therefore invite all these people to come and argue on the threads in order to provide a constructive exchange. No hate and let's get on with the debunks.
Edit : They banned me from their chat so i can't see when they talk about me lol, it shows a lot.
UEG:
The panels where UEG is erased are this one and these ones. First, it was said nowhere that her soul, mind, and concept were erased. The divine core is not said to be a concept . The only justification used is the fact that Rick's sword can attack conceptually, but that doesn't mean that he conceptually attacked UEG or that the divine core is conceptual (Anyway it was remove in another threads). Contrary to that, we are only told that the body of UEG has been erased and not anything else.
The justification for the NEP is that she can exist after the destruction of her body, soul, mind, and concept before regenerating herself over time.
There's also this chapter, where a godess is dead and going to the bottom of a sea of darkness (which should prove the nep), first, being able to exist in a non-existent place do not qualify for a nep because you are still existent. It is stated nowhere that it a real non-existent place, and directions are mentionned in the place which is contradictory to a non-existent void (the concept of direction should not apply here)
And while she is in this state, she cannot do anything, like see or interact with the world, she's just here, waiting for her resurection.
To continue, when UEG was in the void, she said that a concept like "nothing" cannot exist, was horrified of this non-existent place and could not do anything about it (weird if she's herself non-existent) and she should have a nep 1 all aspects ? And the simple fact that she "died" after being absorbed by the darkness shows that she has no NEP, since the very principle of this void is the fact that nothing can exist in it, and UEG was no exception to this rule, if she could remain non-existent the void would have done nothing to her.
Yukimasa:
(Yukimasa's power → Manifest in a book → Yukimasa can write in this book which affect plot → modify future [valid plot manip])
(Yukimasa's power → Manifest in a book → Yukimasa can write in this book → modify future [not valid plot manip because he only affect the future and not plot])
Yogiri :
Conclusion :
Agree : TWILIGHT-OP (Everything except neutral on plot manipulation removal), Dark_Soul20189 (also neutral on plot manip), SweetDao, Grabbing_dragon, Georredannea15, 07epicgg07 (Everything except neutral on plot manip), Eseseso, Astral_Trinity439, FaZe_Liam, Van_Npc, RM97, Robo432343, DarlingAurora, ActuallySpaceMan42, DarkDragonMedeus, Catbowtie
(Please precise the points you agree and the points you disagree)
Edit : They banned me from their chat so i can't see when they talk about me lol, it shows a lot.
UEG:
- Flight, Non-Physical Interaction, Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5; Can exist after the destruction of his body, soul, mind, and concept, before regenerating himself over time) (Isn't she a girl?)
The panels where UEG is erased are this one and these ones. First, it was said nowhere that her soul, mind, and concept were erased. The divine core is not said to be a concept . The only justification used is the fact that Rick's sword can attack conceptually, but that doesn't mean that he conceptually attacked UEG or that the divine core is conceptual (Anyway it was remove in another threads). Contrary to that, we are only told that the body of UEG has been erased and not anything else.
The justification for the NEP is that she can exist after the destruction of her body, soul, mind, and concept before regenerating herself over time.
Nothing like that is said here. He just said that UEG should have been erased, which she confirmed by saying that she WAS erased, but not that she was currently erased. There is no mention that she was still in a non-existence state when she spoke. It was even said that she was standing behind him, which shouldn't be possible if she doesn't exist. And again, it is said nowhere that the attack of Touichirou erased her at another level than just the physical level."You... You should have been erased." He had watched her being erased along with the universe around her, failing to escape in time. And in truth, up until that point, the UEG had ceased to exist.
"Indeed, I was erased, but sorry, that is not enough to kill me. Now, if something like that takes you by surprise, I feel as if I have seen the limits of your abilities. Let us bring an end to this."
There's also this chapter, where a godess is dead and going to the bottom of a sea of darkness (which should prove the nep), first, being able to exist in a non-existent place do not qualify for a nep because you are still existent. It is stated nowhere that it a real non-existent place, and directions are mentionned in the place which is contradictory to a non-existent void (the concept of direction should not apply here)
And while she is in this state, she cannot do anything, like see or interact with the world, she's just here, waiting for her resurection.
To continue, when UEG was in the void, she said that a concept like "nothing" cannot exist, was horrified of this non-existent place and could not do anything about it (weird if she's herself non-existent) and she should have a nep 1 all aspects ? And the simple fact that she "died" after being absorbed by the darkness shows that she has no NEP, since the very principle of this void is the fact that nothing can exist in it, and UEG was no exception to this rule, if she could remain non-existent the void would have done nothing to her.
"It's useless. There's nothing here. You can't destroy something that isn't there."
"Don't **** with me! There's no such concept!"
Hearing that, UEG was horrified. She was left alone in a place where there was nothing like this. She just realized what it meant.
If there is nothing and nowhere to go, then she can create it here herself. She is a god, so she can at least do creation. It should be possible, but no matter what was made, it immediately melted into the darkness. Nothing is allowed to exist here.And UEG realized that she was in the process of melting into the darkness.She tried to keep herself together somehow, but gradually she began to lose sight of what she was doing.
UEG lost her shape, lost sense of who she was, and eventually disappeared into the darkness.
Why is that a Mid-Godly resurrection?? The only thing said is that even if you erased gods, they will reappear, but since when is "erased" assumed to be at a physical and soul level? The only thing this panel qualifies for is a Low-Godly resurrection unless there's more scans related to this.
- Resurrection (Mid-Godly over time, Non-Combat Applicable; Given time, Gods will always reappear even if they are killed or destroyed)
Literally the same thing, the same panel is used for this regeneration, with a panel that says things like causality erasure and complete erasure are common things in the sea (We don't even know the meaning of causality and complete erasure, it is literally impossible to use), but it doesn't say that the gods can regenerate from such erasure, it is just an assumption that if "anyone" can do this then the gods can regenerate from such erasure, plus, standards for mid-godly regeneration are the erasure of body, mind, and soul, which is not demonstrated in the panels (no, "complete erasure" does not necessarily mean an erasure of these aspects).
- Regeneration (Mid-Godly; She can regenerate herself even after her divine core and whole body were destroyed. Regenerated seconds after her divine core was destroyed by Rick's sword.[2] Gods can still regenerate from states[3][4] like causality erasure and complete erasure.[5])
Could someone just put a type to this conceptual manipulation?
Yukimasa:
In my opinion that's not a plot manipulation, the only thing that tends to show it is a simple analogy between the fact that he can change the future thanks to his book and an author. The only thing he can do with his power is to modify the future at a low degree and without contradiction with past events. this power has no effects like a plot manipulation but is just a fate manipulation and a text manipulation with an analogy. he should show that he can manipulate the aspect of plot, which affect the future, and not altering the Future directly.
- Plot Manipulation, Text Manipulation, & Fate Manipulation (Yukimasa's class is the Reader and according to the narration, the novel is a manifestation of his power that tells the story from the past into the future in first person perspective from Yukimasa's perspective as the "main character." There are other stories pertaining to other characters as "side characters" under the section of "side stories" written in third person perspective. Writing into his novel allows Yukimasa to erase or alter future events at his convenience, much like a writer[2])
(Yukimasa's power → Manifest in a book → Yukimasa can write in this book which affect plot → modify future [valid plot manip])
(Yukimasa's power → Manifest in a book → Yukimasa can write in this book → modify future [not valid plot manip because he only affect the future and not plot])
Yogiri :
Should be changed to Low godly for reasons above.
- Regeneration Negation (Mid-Godly. Permanently killed UEG[23])
This is not a resistance : the whole point of Yogiri's character in Instant Death is to win every time, being the strongest, without limit etc. And if we look closely at the panel of "Resistance", it was just that for every possibility he could write, Yukimasa end up dead, this is just the same case as Aoi, for every possibility, Yogiri win, that's why the book turned against him. and not because Yogiri can resist to his power. Every possibility lead to Yogiri's win.
Conclusion :
- UEG : Removal of Non-existent Physiology, downgrade of Mid-Godly Regeneration / Resurection to Low-Godly. (In fact it should be remove to all gods)
- Yukimasa : Removal of Plot manipulation
- Yogiri : Downgrade of Mid-Godly regeneration negation to Low-Godly, Removal of resistance to text manipulation and Fate manipulation by the Yukimasa's Hax justification.
Agree : TWILIGHT-OP (Everything except neutral on plot manipulation removal), Dark_Soul20189 (also neutral on plot manip), SweetDao, Grabbing_dragon, Georredannea15, 07epicgg07 (Everything except neutral on plot manip), Eseseso, Astral_Trinity439, FaZe_Liam, Van_Npc, RM97, Robo432343, DarlingAurora, ActuallySpaceMan42, DarkDragonMedeus, Catbowtie
Disagree : Deidalius, YungManzi
Neutral :(Please precise the points you agree and the points you disagree)
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